Call of Duty - Best Shooter of All Time

[jdredalert]

Well, "Vérpistike" is a Hungarian derogatory term for said mindless pre-teen idiots. "Pistike" is a fondling for the name István, which is Steve in English. Many many Hungarian jokes involve a hopelessly stupid idiot kid in several situations, and he is called "Pistike" (this was much much earlier founded, long before the Internet-era). As for the "vér" prefix, it stands for "blood". The "vérpistike" term is analogous to "bloodwolf" just with an extremely dumb kid instead of a wolf. Most online gaming communities have a huge number of these pitiful worms, especially Call of Duty, thus, a new phrase was born.

If that's the case than don't you think this is little rude to be constantly said? I'm quite aware of the kids screaming on headsets during online matches and the decline in overall quality of the games over the years, but even in this thread you can find some respectful members of the community that had a good time while playing at least one game of this franchise. Also, a lot of your previous comment seems to be fueled more by rage than anything, and some parts aren't accurate at all (like the statements about there's no story connecting "the series" together while there is not one, but some different series on the CoD franchise, each tied to it's own universe - Modern Warfare series had it's own story, Black Ops series had another story which is linked to World at War by the way and so on, and while they are filled with Hollywood action movie cliches and MW story could fit in any 24 season starring Jack Bauer instead of the game characters, they are still, well, stories). There's even a part were you say: "And what's the point of playing a game and especially expanding a game without an actual story? Something which gives a reason why exactly the player should play the game, what's the reward at the end, what is it all about, why sequels are need to be done", and that's funny because the original Doom had no actual story, nor a real ending and the original Quake had even less story than Doom, but they did got sequels and we all love and play those games for more than two decades now. Don't you think that maybe this is a radical point of view, considering that if everyone thought like that there would be no Doom 2 (and possibly no Quake, no Duke Nukem, no Shadow Warrior and so on)?

I personally liked the first two WW2 themed CoDs, had a good time with the MW campaigns (while i must say that i only finished MW3 because of the story, gameplay-wise it was suffering from a heavy "more of the same" syndrome) and the first Black Ops because of the Vietnam setting, but that's it. There's not much to come back after you finish those games for the first time (unless you like multiplayer, which is not my case), and not too much to see after them, so i just lost my interest in the next titles. But it's not like i'm going to bash against every single game on franchise for now on. I think that more than overrated, CoD games are overhated.

[Reactor]

It's not rude at all. I mean, it's not a swearing word, and it's definitively not meant to be offensive on the respectful members, who just wish to enjoy the game. I use this term frequently, because this is the game which has the most [censored word] fanboys, who think every other game is "teh shitz" and CoD is the very best thing in the known universe since sliced bread. Interestingly, CounterStrike never had this kind of plague, and it had absolutely no single player at all. Sure there were idiots, campers and trolls online there as well, just not that many.

As for rage, I think you must have misunderstood something, I never agitated heatedly against the game anywhere. I wrote that it's nowhere near to be the very best, and I made a compare & contrast with Doom.

As for the so-called story, well, to be honest, I could think up something like that in, like, 10 minutes. As you wrote, they're full of Hollywood stereotypes, it is very monotonous and bland, regardless which game we look at (MW-saga, Black Ops saga etc.). It is understandable as these games where essentially made for multiplayer, so they don't need a story. CounterStrike had no story either. That's fine, but if you're making a single player campaign to the game, could you just churn out a story little better than "kill enemy soldiers"? I'm not expecting a Stephen King-like novel at all, but come on...
As for the Doom story, the first thing I did when grabbing the game was reading the FAQ, and found the story. And as I wrote earlier, it's a little bit more exciting. Killing demon invaders on Phobos, Deimos, Earth, and eventually in Hell itself! Might be simple, but it works! It has no ultra-brutal 5D graphics cutscenes about the story, but was still enjoyable and made you curious enough to play the next and next level. Not to mention that when comparing the storylines, there is only one game in existence (I think), which tried to rip Doom's story off, and it failed, whilst there are literally thousands of games which involves two armies killin' each other.
You're right about the Quake story, though at part 2, the story got better even without brutal 5D visual cutscenes, and later the Strogg-storyline got expanded. The stroggification of Matthew Kane was awesome, and I seriously wished to see what will happen to him at the end.
Duke Nukem 3D is a bit different, as it already had a (small) franchise, one of them involved aliens, so you could expect something similar in 3D as well, and I wasn't disappointed. Sure the storyline was very cliché - "ZOMG alienz invading Earth" - it worked, because it was not that extremely overused by then. Besides, the Duke levels had awesome variety and Duke's remarks were outstandingly good, special effects were great, and we had cutscenes at end of every episode.
As for the GTA universe, ye, it's starts growing out of its skin alright, however, the GTA concept was revolutionary back then alright (much like Doom), and there is a good storyline in all games which the missions are all about, so it never gets boring. Not to mention in GTA you have much bigger movement freedom, and you don't need to worry about suddenly dying for no reason, just because you turned left where the game developers wanted you to turn right...you get the idea.

All in all, I don't say the CoD series are bad and detestable, I say they're repetitive and unbalanced. Essentially, a computer game consists 5 major parts: storyline, graphics, programming, sound & music, gameplay. A good and balanced game has 20% for each, making 100% alltogether. As for the CoD-series, about 80% goes for graphics, whilst the remaining 20% is distributed amongst the other four aspects.

[NeuralStunner]

To put it bluntly, a lot of Doomers are no better than any of the "kiddies" they complain about in other communities. Want to claim they're more reasonable and mature than CoD players? Why don't they act like it.

Also, keep in mind that there's still a huge mapping community targetting the same exact features and gameplay we've been using for 20 years. (Nevermind that FInal Doom, an official commercial product, featured only new maps and no extensive gameplay changes. Hell, they even used the same "final boss" as Doom 2!)

This topic was doing really well, it'd be a great sign if it didn't deteriorate any further, OP intentions aside.

[darkhaven3]

To put it bluntly, a lot of Doomers are no better than any of the "kiddies" they complain about in other communities. Want to claim they're more reasonable and mature than CoD players? Why don't they act like it.

Please stop pretending you're better than everyone else.

[Big C]

To put it bluntly, a lot of Doomers are no better than any of the "kiddies" they complain about in other communities. Want to claim they're more reasonable and mature than CoD players? Why don't they act like it.

Please stop pretending you're better than everyone else.

And where did he say he was better than everyone else? He was just calling out hypocrisy.

[wildweasel]

Please don't fight in this thread; you'd be playing right into OP's hands.

[enderkevin13]

Please don't fight in this thread; you'd be playing right into OP's hands.

That's exactly why I suggested locking this thread.

[GooberMan]

I appreciate all of the constructive responses. I definitely understand now why many people dislike COD.

So the series doesn't deserve ANY credit for revolutionizing multiplayer for the FPS genre? Honestly. I need a straight answer here.

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment of playing and liking different games for different reasons. It's just that this is a very real and juicy debate from what I've seen inside as well as outside the Internet, and I've witnessed nothing more than mere verbal brawls between fans and people who don't like Call of Duty. I started this thread looking for well-thought out arguments. My fellow Doomers didn't disappoint.

I'm not seeing any evidence that OP was a troll.

Am seeing plenty of evidence of people missing the point entirely.

[darkhaven3]

And where did he say he was better than everyone else? He was just calling out hypocrisy.

Generalizing about an entire community of people is not "calling out hypocrisy".

[YukiHerz]

A lot=/=Entire.

[darkhaven3]

If people who don't act like children in the Doom community are such a minority and this is such a large, blanket issue, who are we excepting? I'd love to know.

[Scripten]

If people who don't act like children in the Doom community are such a minority and this is such a large, blanket issue, who are we excepting? I'd love to know.

Nobody said "minority" here but you. You're being way too defensive. Nobody is insulting the fanbase, just acknowledging that we have plenty of people in the community who are immature and that there's no need to go around crapping on other communities. (Frankly, that whole "crapping on other fanbases" thing is pretty immature in and of itself.)

[Reactor]

Well, frankly, Doom does not have that huge mass of [censored word] childish fanboys, mostly for one reason: everyone who was like that has grown up since 1993. If you take a look for instance,on the Selfie thread, you shall witness that the great majority of the pictures belong to people well above 20. And most grown-ups already left their fanboy-period and over-obsession behind...if they had any towards any game of course. Most fans like, or love Doom and other FPS games from that era, but they're not obsessed with them. Which I could not say about the CoD-fanbase, unfortunately.

There is a thin, but significant line between love and obsession. Half-life is my all time favourite above all computer games in the known universe to this day, however, I'm also referring to the first Half-life with inferior graphics and gameplay compared to the sequels when saying this (so I don't throw the older parts of the saga into the trashcan just because a new and better one came out), and I never ever said that Half-life is the best game in the known universe, every other game is a piece of turd, and everyone who don't play Half-life are faggots, and stuff like that...you know what I'm babbling about...

[Scripten]

Well, sure, most of the core fanbase is older and generally more mature. If you look around on the fringes of the community, we have a sizable portion of Doom fans that are not really part of our Doom community. Hell, we have plenty of people who complain about them, too. I'm sure everyone is aware of the opinions people hold for Brutal Doom.

[Reactor]

Well...yes, many Doom fans you mentioned are just here for the booty for their own projects. As for the Brutal Doom-drama, it's a bit more complex. A group of "haters" have nothing against Brutal Doom itself, more likely against Sergeant_Mark_IV, another group of "haters" are mad because he stole their work and claimed as his own, and yet another group of "haters" have problems with the sudden high popularity of Brutal Doom. The same thing happened when Team-TNT lent Evilution to ID Software, and a huge mass of Doom fans started to calling them liars and sellouts.