Transfer_heights HOM

Post by **Xaser** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:43 pm

Anyway to make this level so it doesn't display HOM when you fall off the bridge, or is it a bug???

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:26 am

That's normal behavior. What you're asking the engine to do is to display two ceilings on top of each other. It's not capable of that. Notice that when you're directly under (or over) the bridge, the HOM goes away. That because only one ceiling (the bottom of the bridge) is being drawn.

As a side note, if you move too far left or right, so you're hanging off the edge of the bridge and looking down, you will be able to see HOM there too because the engine can't draw two stacked floors either.

Post by **Xaser** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:36 pm

Crap. I wish there was a way to correc this. Then again, I suppose it might be okay if the player wasn't allowed to fall off the bridge, but that kinda sucks, don't ya think?

kn · Post by kn » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:55 pm

Xaser wrote:Crap. I wish there was a way to correc this. Then again, I suppose it might be okay if the player wasn't allowed to fall off the bridge, but that kinda sucks, don't ya think?

Don't use TransferHeights at all then. Just create a bunch of lines with step textures like you did for the left and right side of your bridge and the problem is gone.

It could look like this:

Post by **Xaser** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:58 pm

kn wrote:
Xaser wrote:Crap. I wish there was a way to correc this. Then again, I suppose it might be okay if the player wasn't allowed to fall off the bridge, but that kinda sucks, don't ya think?
Don't use TransferHeights at all then. Just create a bunch of lines with step textures like you did for the left and right side of your bridge and the problem is gone.

Yes, I know about the crossbeam thing, I'm just saying that it would look much nicer if I could just make it a single floor texture, instead of a bunch of crossbeams.

cccp_leha · Post by **cccp_leha** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:03 pm

I was able to do floor over floor, but without the bridge, so you can only look at it from one way.

Cyb · Post by **Cyb** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:41 pm

yeah I spent some time seeing if I could fake 3d with transfer_heights back when I made helm's deep and I sort of managed it to an extent but it was never perfect from all possible spots so instead I settled for floating transparent textures which is actually one of the framerate killers in the map, whoopsie

Hirogen2 · Post by **Hirogen2** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:30 am

Nah, the projectile count is a framerate killer.

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:10 am

Map runs fine on my AMD/1.67GHz...

Cyb · Post by **Cyb** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:31 pm

Hirogen2 wrote:Nah, the projectile count is a framerate killer.

it's not really, it's a combination of all the thing_hates going on and parts of the architecture. the large amount of sprites do come into play but it's more those parts of the map. for instance, when the map starts turn on freeze mode (freeze in console) after a few seconds (so there's a bunch of projectiles in the air) and then turn on vid_fps, now run outside and look at the imps without any of the architecture in view, make note of your framerate and now turn around and make note of it.

Post by **Bio Hazard** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:22 pm

man that map sounds cool... where is it?

Hirogen2 · Post by **Hirogen2** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:21 am

Map runs fine on my AMD/1.67GHz

Yes, and 1.667, but not really way back when I had 0.400GHz only.

Cyb: what ever, it is action. When I use the freeze console command, framerate goes fscking up.

Bio: ftp://3darchives.in-span.net/pub/idgame ... msdeep.zip and helmsmus.zip , the second being optional.

Post by **randi** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:03 pm

No, all the closely-packed two-sided lines he used for bridges are the real framerate killer.

bimshwel · Post by **bimshwel** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:39 pm

When will a hero emerge who can avenge our fallen framerates?

Hirogen2 · Post by **Hirogen2** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:07 pm

randy wrote:No, all the closely-packed two-sided lines he used for bridges are the real framerate killer.

Which you do not see if you're IN the battle field

between all monsters.