Random zdoom wars idea

[lolwut?]

They should add Duke nukem and Doom 64 hero
What do you think?

[lukas]

There is already unofficial Duke Faction. Also unofficial Realm faction (with monsters from Realm667)
I don't know about Doom 64 (that would be the same as Doom but with different sprites), though there is a chance of an unofficial Doom64 faction being made. But the only two official new factions that are planned are Hacx and Harmony.

Also I would like to see Blood faction, and it may be made as an unofficial faction. But AFAIK official factions are only from Doom Engine games.

[Edward-san]

I fear that Capt. Ventris will kill lolwut? for this blasphemy.

[Gez]

It's "ZDoom" Wars. When Duke and Doom 64 will be playable with ZDoom, these factions may happen.

If any new faction is added, it would be Harmony. It's a ZDoom game, contrarily to what you listed, and it offers full rotations for the sprites. (The latter reason being why there wouldn't be an Urban Brawl or Wolf3D TC faction.)

[lukas]

It's "ZDoom" Wars. When Duke and Doom 64 will be playable with ZDoom, these factions may happen.

They may happen sooner, but won't be official. More like unofficial addons.

[Gez]

They may happen sooner

Sooner. Heh.



Also, it always amuse me when people are talking about "official" and "unofficial" stuff for mods.

[InsanityBringer]

Doom 64 is the only thing that has any chance of happening (read: still none)

Duke Nukem 3D is an entirely different game though. While randy has made a "ZDuke" in the past, if I remember correctly it just uses system code from zdoom. It doesn't really add anything to the game.

[lukas]

Sooner. Heh.

I meant soon.

Also, it always amuse me when people are talking about "official" and "unofficial" stuff for mods.

Well official is what is approved by maker of mod. Unofficial is sort of mod for a mod

[Xaser]

Hmm, it's well-documented (somewhere) that Ventris doesn't take faction requests, and I know for a fact this has been suggested many, many times. If any are ever to get done in the future, it will be Harmony and maybe Hacx, but as far as I've heard, they're not top-priority.

Making an entire faction is a lot of hard work, especially as more and more get added. Every creature needs to be balanced with each other, with everything from the other factions, and given unique abilities to stand out from the other factions a bit. Not exactly a cake walk, that.

[NeuralStunner]

What do you think?

I think it's Ventris' decision, which happens to be "no".

Quite frankly I completely understand his level of aggravation with this. He's said again and again that a Duke facton is not going to happen, yet countless people still insist on asking for it. Would you torment Randy this way over a feature he has said no to?

Wolfenstein, Duke 3D, and Blood are not going to qualify for one reason in particular: They are not supported natively by ZDoom. TCs that "port" these games to ZDoomby emulating their behavior don't count. And as for them being supported natively, really I think there are more important things to develop than making ZDoom yet another Wolf / Build engine.

Make an original game in the ZDoom engine however, and it will probably be considered!

[Grymmette]

Man, if Ventris saw this topic he'd...be annoyed.

Read up man, this from the faction idea submissions text:

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There are certain requirements before a faction is eligible for official and supported inclusion in ZDoom Wars. These rules were originally more lax, and then I learned about "Quality control" and tightened up the regulations. Faction ideas must pass each of these rules, to be considered in the order they are typed here. If you are unwilling to read them, do not make faction suggestions.

1. The original source of the content of the faction MUST be the Doom Engine. i.e., Duke 3d is not eligible, as it is build engine. Some have tried to bring up a technicality via ZBlood, however, the content of ZBlood originated from, well, Blood, which is a BUILD engine game. Note that Wolfenstein was NOT based on the Doom Engine, and is disqualified on pretty much every other requirement anyway. GuiGui tried to make an argument for Duke3d that was something along the lines of bypassing this rule because both Duke3d and Doom are FPS's. This argument wears a helmet and drools on itself, and I might just reject your proposal purely out of spite if you bring it up. Don't bring up semantics, the meaning of the rule is clear to all who are not [censored word]. If the desired faction does not pass this rule, its repeated request will be met with instant verbal abuse.

2. The content must have all originated from a singular wad or wad series, intended to be used together as one set of enemies. They must also have a majority of custom graphics. A well-done edit with much different behavior from the original may be withstood to a degree, but a faction entirely or mostly of edits is out of the question. This eliminates any "beastiary faction" ideas, as well as wads which include the original Doom monsters, such as Cold as Hell. If the wad is part of a series of wads which are similar enough to use as a single faction, each part of the series must fit all criteria. As you can see, this narrows the field of possibility significantly. If the faction in question does not pass this rule, its repeated request will be met with snarkiness, followed by simple, childish insults if the matter is pressed.

3. There must be an overall change in monster behavior significant enough to predefine some battlefield roles. Though not all monsters must be different, there must be enough monsters with behavior variance that I, in good conscience, can further alter the behavior to not overlap other factions so much. The great majority of monsters in the faction Should have animations and rotations, depending on behavior, and there should be no more than 16 monsters, and no less than 10. A set of suitable Player Sprites is also strongly desired. Adjustments and exceptions can be made if necessary and understandable. This entire rule is more of a subjective thing on my part, and qualified Chex Quest 3, as well as the future addition of Harmony. If the faction in question does not pass this rule, I will remind you that I am the creator of this wad, and therefore have final creative authority. Pressing the matter will result in a combination of the responses for failing the other rules.

4. I, as Wad Author must feel, after all other factors are considered, that a Faction of the project in question must bring enough to the game to be worth inclusion, and to not screw gameplay. For this reason, I will not except Faction Submissions - You can give me ideas, so long as they fit the previous criteria, but I wish to go from the ground up to make the Faction efficient for me to edit, and to go in the direction I personally feel will be best for the wad. In short, I honestly just have to WANT to do it. Failure to pass this rule will be less unusual than you think - I found that Batman Doom did not have enough unique concepts to make a compelling faction, for example. Since getting to this rule is some sort of major accomplishment, I usually won't yell at you over it, unless you insist on being mentally handicapped.

There is a funny little myth that I said there would be making no more factions. This is not true. I said there would be no more factions for A WHILE.



Making a Faction is a LOT of work. There is a lot of infrastructure and creative processes involved. It is not a quick process. There will NOT be a new Faction for a very long time. I will notify you all when a faction begins earnest development, with progress reports and such. Do not ask me if a Faction is being worked on. When a new faction is first released, I promise it will suck in some manner, and will have to be extensively balanced. Thusly, I will only begin creating a new faction when I feel the original 6 are well enough balanced that the new faction can be compared to them and fit in.


If you desire to make a Faction suggestion:
Do not spam, do not argue. If it is rejected, you may make one appeal, and if it doesn't make my eyes bleed, I will read it. If I tell you it is still rejected, drop the matter.

Thank you, and STFU about Duke Nukem.

[InsanityBringer]

you know we should add an aeod faction. every player using it would lose unless they somehow get enough mana to summon one of the [censored word] super monsters -- then no one could ever beat them

[Captain Ventris]

The fudge is with you people and extending your grimy tentacles to all corners to the earth in a futile attempt to get me to do something? Seriously, here, IRC, friggin' everywhere. It's ridiculous. You people are ridiculous. You're already running [censored word] GvH vs ZDWars servers, go drool on yourselves in there and stop asking me to do stupid things. gtfo

EDIT: Also, aren't you here because you were already turned down quite definitively on THE OFFICIAL ZDOOM WARS FORUM? Or are you one of the other inbred morons with the same issues?

[InsanityBringer]

The fudge is with you people and extending your grimy tentacles to all corners to the earth in a futile attempt to get me to do something?

probably because they are too lazy to do the same themselves. If they could, they probably would just do it.

[NeuralStunner]

probably because they are too lazy to do the same themselves. If they could, they probably would just do it.

Some do, but are too lazy to actually do a good job.