[TCoTD : Apocalypse] Tchernoborg Replacement for Thamuz?

[Jimmy]

The uber nightmares are clearly bugged and massively overpowered, it takes about 10 tries just to run and hide in a shelter from them when the siren goes off. Just replacing them with regular nightmares are all that's needed. Also, I was only aware that I needed to get into a moon shelter from reading this thread. Would it be possible to add some hints in the form of onscreen messages, or possible other notes, to the gameplay?

[Serious Cacodemon]

GZDoom always crashes on me without an error message a while after the siren has been sounded, so the farthest I'm able to get without resorting to cheating is after the fight with the three larger spiders.

EDIT: Okay, I think the problem's only occurring when

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Not hiding in one of the safe spots with doors which can slowly be closed with switches that can only be revealed when the Moon Key is in possession.

EDIT 2: And I can also confirm that saving anytime after the first siren also crashes GZDoom as well.

[Tormentor667]

I seemed to be able to find the bug that's responsible for the crash and fixed it. I will upload a new version right now, also with some secrets and gameplay changes like a stronger pistol and a weaker Uber-Nightmare. Also the time between the start of the siren and the uber nightmares has been enlarged to make sure that you can get back into a shelter even if you are in the church. Other changes as well, just try it then.

[Nightmare Doom]

Instead of having the Uber Nightmares killing you instantly with one hit even with god mode, what if they take like 50% of your health (heavy damage) and they'll kill you with more than two hits if without god mode and can you try to make it possible to either make the Uber Nightmares killable or slow them down with your weapons?

[Tormentor667]

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[Mechadon]

Mkay, played through a chunk of the newest build. Glad you decided to put in dual pistols, though I gotta say I didn't get a chance to pick up another pistol before the game crashed.

Oh yea the crash, heh. I was actually playing in Skulltag at the time, so this may not apply to GZDoom (and I think a couple of folks have already mentioned this). Anyways, when the first siren started to blare, Skulltag crashed. I didn't get a crash report or anything, it was sorta weird.

As for the dual pistol, where are you able to actually pick one up?

And lastly, I have some animated candle sprites that you may want. They're actually from D64, but they would fit perfectly with this (the Doom candles just don't cut it IMO). I've got the DECORATE and the dynamic lighting definitions all done, just let me know if you want them

*EDIT*

Oh, almost forgot to mention something else. The ammo icons for the Shotgun are a little off (again, this was in Skulltag, it may be different for GZDoom). Anyways, your using the shotgun pickup sprite for the main ammo and the regular shotgun ammo pickup sprites for the clip (or is it the other way around? Can't remember...). Anyways, the shotgun cuts off the ammo numbers and the shells are offset to far down. I would recommend using the box of shells for the ammo counter and the 4 shells sprite for the clip.

[DBThanatos]

Mkay, played through a chunk of the newest build. Glad you decided to put in dual pistols, though I gotta say I didn't get a chance to pick up another pistol before the game crashed.

Oh yea the crash, heh. I was actually playing in Skulltag at the time, so this may not apply to GZDoom (and I think a couple of folks have already mentioned this). Anyways, when the first siren started to blare, Skulltag crashed. I didn't get a crash report or anything, it was sorta weird.

As for the dual pistol, where are you able to actually pick on up?

And lastly, I have some animated candle sprites that you may want. They're actually from D64, but they would fit perfectly with this (the Doom candles just don't cut it IMO). I've got the DECORATE and the dynamic lighting definitions all done, just let me know if you want them

*EDIT*

Oh, almost forgot to mention something else. The ammo icons for the Shotgun are a little off (again, this was in Skulltag, it may be different for GZDoom). Anyways, your using the shotgun pickup sprite for the main ammo and the regular shotgun ammo pickup sprites for the clip (or is it the other way around? Can't remember...). Anyways, the shotgun cuts off the ammo numbers and the shells are offset to far down. I would recommend using the box of shells for the ammo counter and the 4 shells sprite for the clip.

Perhaps would be a little more helpful if you have tested the mod with the engine it was created for (i know both are similar, but well...).


ohh and about the candles, those doom64 actually could look good here


Anyway, Im downloading right now...



DBT

[Mechadon]

Perhaps would be a little more helpful if you have tested the mod with the engine it was created for (i know both are similar, but well...).


ohh and about the candles, those doom64 actually could look good here


Anyway, Im downloading right now...



DBT

Yea I know, that's why I mentioned it was Skulltag and not GZDoom. They are very similar, so I thought mentioning that crash wouldn't hurt

[DBThanatos]

Tested and confirmed that still crashes after the 1st time the sirens starts... (stuck again... I'll need to cheat ... again? ...)


While I was exploring the city, I found 2 secrets 2/7 I think.

Also this little thing:

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Hard to see in the screenshot, but is some texures missing or similar, since what you see in this pic is the HOM (IDMYPOS activated to find this easier)

By the way jimmy91, there is a "hint" of the shelters

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Yes, this was even in the previous version

DBT

[Skippy]

Great job with the railings, it just feels so much better. A couple of things:

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- On the large building in town with the steps and pillars leading up to a spider key door, the first-floor window textures are misaligned.
- The secret door to get to the room with the fire key and the shadow Imp can be triggered indefinitely ie. the door can be activated repeatedly, sinking it into the floor and causing flat bleeding due to the lack of lower textures in the sector.
- Is it just me or do the little spiders have way too many hitpoints? It takes up to five pistol shots to kill them, and the pitchfork is ineffective due to their small size and high speed... at the minute I hate them.
- Entering the church with the Apprentice, where you obtain the dual pistols, the floor is set up so that it can only be crossed by a certain path, gibbing the player if they stray from the path. There's no physical evidence of the correct path on the floor, and no mention I could see in-game of this fact... is this a bug or have I missed something?

Also a few suggestions:

- why don't you just call [wiki]Thing_Stop[/wiki] in the 'read notice' scripts, instead of having to provide a separate 'kill messages' key?
- Have you considered using the [wiki]HudMessage[/wiki] type HUDMSG_LOG to write the contents of a note to the console so the player can review the text at a later time? It might be by design that the player has to memorise or take notes, however. (By the way, I'll have a first draft of the revised notes by tomorrow night.)
- On a similar note, how about a fullbright marker to indicate where the pitchfork has fallen once thrown, as finding it can be extremely tricky at times? I understand this might also be by design. If it is, you might want to place several more pitchforks in the game, in case the player loses theirs. (It happens...)

Keep up the good work.

[Serious Cacodemon]

Sadly, I'm still experiencing very Fatal errors whenever I try to save at any time after the 'Uber' Nightmares leave for the first time. This makes doing other really hard parts, like the church puzzle and the alternate reality area.

[DBThanatos]

About what skippy mentioned of bright pitchfork, I think would be nice to be able to get a few of those, because as is right now, the pitchfork can be crushed by a closing door if accidentally ended there... I dont need to mention how bad is that.

The spiders are actually too healthy, i think those should be weakened a little.

Also, the life essence heals you too little ( believe it heals you 5%), I think would be better if at least it healed you 10 or maybe 15%. And the armor Skulls may need be scaled down, those look too big to me.


About the church puzzle, I was disoriented too. I saw the red arrow of "where to start the path" but once there, I couldnt see other clue of what was the path to follow


DBT

[Nash]

The church puzzle was very clumsy - I had to quicksave before I attempt the next step.

Fortunately for me, GZDoom didn't start being crash frenzy yet at the time.

[Lag]

don't rush this. i know it would be very cool to release it on halloween, but there are some pretty major gameplay issues that should be fixed before release (as has been mentioned: the bugs, the difficulty, and the design) since this has the potential to be a very nice mod.

i also wanted to second the range of the pitchfork...it's not about the strength of the weapon, but about the fact that when you attack something with the pitchfork (primary fire) it looks like you are attacking something actually behind the target.
the sprite extends too far while the damage occurs at too close a range.
not only does it not look right, but it could make gameplay a bit frustrating (i was using it to kill the small spiders, since, by design, ammo is scarce. it was difficult to actually hit a spider because it feels like the range is off.)

also the ceiling above the "claire/steven" book sector at the cabin is bright and looks out of place.

[Shadelight]

Maybe a message could pop up saying "Get to the Moon Shelter! The Nightmares are coming!" or something like that?