Linux ZDoom on a PPC machine? (Randy?)

Mannequin · Post by **Mannequin** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:23 pm

randy wrote:
Mannequin wrote:If someone wanted to begin to sell clones again, they wouldn't have a hard time doing so.
I thought the reason there aren't any Mac clones anymore was because the clones all outperformed genuine Apples, so Apple pulled their MacOS licensing deals. Some company could build another machine with a PowerPC in it, but it wouldn't be able to run Mac software, so what would be the point?

But back when that happened there weren't many alternative OS's around, so yeah it did help kill the clones. Really, though, if you think about it, these days, the manufacturer could install a base Linux/PPC system on there, and then the user could go out and purchase a copy of MacOS.

Actually, I just thought of something else. The company could just give a rebate for the amount of MacOS. (Obviously the end user is paying for the rebate, but hey!)

-M.

Chilvence · Post by **Chilvence** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 7:56 pm

It kind of confuses me that anyone would want to run Linux on a Mac. As far as I'm concerned, the whole point of owning a Mac is the grade of software released for it.

Mannequin · Post by **Mannequin** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:19 am

Chilvence wrote:It kind of confuses me that anyone would want to run Linux on a Mac. As far as I'm concerned, the whole point of owning a Mac is the grade of software released for it.

So you're saying that Linux's grade of software is below that of MacOS'?

I have an easier time with Linux software than I do most MacOS software. It actually drives me nuts when I have to boot in to MacOS for whatever reason.

-M.

Lexus Alyus · Post by **Lexus Alyus** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:20 am

The conclusion is that macs are great, but only for people that can afford them. End of story, and we all live happily ever after

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HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:26 am

Oh no no, that's not what I was saying at all. If I had all the money in the world, I'd still buy PC's. Well, after I bought enough stock in Apple to take them over and then dismantle them.

Lexus Alyus · Post by **Lexus Alyus** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:08 pm

Zip it!

Post by **Bio Hazard** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:10 pm

microsoft already owns 51% of apple already right? i remember hearing that somewhere

Mannequin · Post by **Mannequin** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:04 pm

Bio Hazard wrote:microsoft already owns 51% of apple already right? i remember hearing that somewhere

Yup! Microsoft does own a good portion of Apple. They bought it when Apple was in that bad slump.

HotWax wrote:Oh no no, that's not what I was saying at all. If I had all the money in the world, I'd still buy PC's. Well, after I bought enough stock in Apple to take them over and then dismantle them.

Heh. You'd have to fight Microsoft for the winning 1%.

This does kind of make me wonder though. Has HotWax ever used a Mac for a good period of time?

-M.

Chilvence · Post by **Chilvence** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:05 pm

Mannequin wrote: I have an easier time with Linux software than I do most MacOS software. It actually drives me nuts when I have to boot in to MacOS for whatever reason.

-M.

It just strikes me as mad, to buy an expensive machine, known for being user friendly, to put linux onto it

Post by **Bio Hazard** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:11 pm

you know, if i were to sell a computer to a total computer n00b who dosent intend to teave n00b status, id sell them a mac:

1. its very user friendly
2. you dont have to worry about viruses
3. they are very easy to fix (just pop in the macos cd and it fixes itself! (seriously))
4. they come with all the software a computer n00b needs!

a mac wouldnt be my cup of tea, but it definitely has its uses...

Mannequin · Post by **Mannequin** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:31 pm

Chilvence wrote:
Mannequin wrote: I have an easier time with Linux software than I do most MacOS software. It actually drives me nuts when I have to boot in to MacOS for whatever reason.

-M.
It just strikes me as mad, to buy an expensive machine, known for being user friendly, to put linux onto it

These days there are Linux distros that are user friendly. (I'm including installaion in to this, too.)

Actually, looking at what I've said before, there is something else that drives me nuts even more than booting in to MacOS...

[DISCLAIMER] This isn't directed at anyone, btw! [/DISCLAIMER]

It's people who hard code architecturally specific things in to their program.

-M.

Chilvence · Post by **Chilvence** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:41 pm

Im not saying that linux isnt, I was impressed with how easy Red Hat was to install when I tried it and am quite happy playing with it when I'm in the mood (I'll probably use it alot more if I ever get used to the Gimp). But why have linux on a Mac when it can be had much cheaper on a PC? I'd reccommend Macs to exactly the same people that Bio Hazard would. Its a great computer for people who just want to get on with what they're doing, it gets them intrested because its not an ugly brick that they have to consign to the spare room, its got plenty of nice stuff with it out of the box etc etc. Most of the attraction is in the software, because you dont have to go round every ten minutes explaining convoluted instructions step by step for each of a dozen claptrap programs that have more differences than similarities. It doesnt strike me as something a techie would buy just to fiddle with, thats all.

Mannequin · Post by **Mannequin** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:01 pm

Chilvence wrote:Im not saying that linux isnt, I was impressed with how easy Red Hat was to install when I tried it and am quite happy playing with it when I'm in the mood (I'll probably use it alot more if I ever get used to the Gimp). But why have linux on a Mac when it can be had much cheaper on a PC? I'd reccommend Macs to exactly the same people that Bio Hazard would. Its a great computer for people who just want to get on with what they're doing, it gets them intrested because its not an ugly brick that they have to consign to the spare room, its got plenty of nice stuff with it out of the box etc etc. Most of the attraction is in the software, because you dont have to go round every ten minutes explaining convoluted instructions step by step for each of a dozen claptrap programs that have more differences than similarities. It doesnt strike me as something a techie would buy just to fiddle with, thats all.

Actually, you're looking at someone who bought a Mac and immediately put Linux on it! But, like I said in a previous post, I got my Mac for about $1000.00 less because I bought at the right time. To me, the pros out-weight the cons of getting a computer that costs a little more than others. The machine is faster than PC's clocked the same and above, it's more stable, it looks better (:lol:), it upgrades easier, and I got more bang for my buck when I opened the hood. (It had more RAM, more HD space, etc. than the comparable PCs at the time.)

What's more, I'm still using it 3.5 years later, with very little speed problems. (Even with new software.) I mean, I wouldn't be able to run Doom 3 on the thing, but when I compare my 400 MHz G3 to my 1.2 GHz Pentium III, I'm finding that the G3 has more staying power than my Pentium. (I'm finding that I want to upgrade the Pentium III more than my G3.)

As for your point about recommending Macs to certain people, yeah, when I used to sell Macs, if the person was already a PC person, or seemed to be someone who needed a PC more than a Mac at the time, I'd tell 'em to buy a PC. I didn't force it on them (like some of my co-employees.)

-M.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:20 pm

Mannequin wrote: What's more, I'm still using it 3.5 years later, with very little speed problems. (Even with new software.) I mean, I wouldn't be able to run Doom 3 on the thing, but when I compare my 400 MHz G3 to my 1.2 GHz Pentium III, I'm finding that the G3 has more staying power than my Pentium. (I'm finding that I want to upgrade the Pentium III more than my G3.)

I think that tells more about the software you use on these systems than their speed. For normal desktop apps I'd still be happy with the 900Mhz Duron I sold 3 years ago. It's only the games that make me upgrade regularly.

Lexus Alyus · Post by **Lexus Alyus** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:51 pm

My ideal setup would be a large studio with a few mac G5's running a full Protools setup. I'd have Logic 6 Pro and shit loads of really high end plug ins for it. With the full Protools harware I'd beable to record whole bands... which is what they pritty much do these days. I'd like one of those nifty Pro Controlls too, they cost like 8grand but are pritty damn amaizng. Once I get to that status I'd beablew to afford all of it... and I'd have a few expansions onto the procontrok giving me a fader for each of the 64 so channels that ther system would beable to run

. That would just be for the hell pof it, but it would be cool. Then there would be the super 5 screen flat pannel super monitor o can see all 64 so tracks without usinbg scrollers... this is the basis of my dream

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The problem is not the mac, I could proibably save up or get one on finance... the problem is the software... it costs £600 for Logic 6 Pro... and I ain't getting noi half featured version of that program! Then I hhave to bu a decent sound rig... that's another grand... not to mention the extra space it would all take up. I dream of a mac, but I know i vcan't have one... yet

. I also dream of a messa boogie triplle rectifier with two assive 4x12 cabs and then a row of real Gibson studio Les Pauls (including the Gothic and VooDoo series which cist 3grand each!). Thenb i'd have a few sext Ibanez basses and a nice bass setup. There ewwould be high end microphones... I'm looking at the aKG C414's and maybe even a Drawmer 1960 Pre amp/valve compressor. I'd like adecent hardware sound module to get those high quality orchestrl and synth sounds (plus the stacks of softsynths I'd be using... abouyt £150 each... and I want a least 5!). Finally i'd have a large double bass Tama kit! Oh yes, with something like 2 snares (both specifically tested thouraghly to get the best sound berfore I buy). It's not cheap trying to save up for a studio, but one day... one day...