Enjay's Marine Assault: First Impressions

Post by **Enjay** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:45 pm

The railgun is a heavily modified RoTT weapon. In fact, from memory, it is mainly made from 3 of the RoTT weapons chopped about and re-joined to each other in a sort of Frakenstein-esque way.

I did that myself, then did a bit of re-colouring and adding flashes and so on. I think the flash was based on the Doom shotgun one.

As people may have guessed, some of the stuff I included in this WAD has actually come from my Aspects mod. So there wasn't too much work to be done creating resources for it. It was more a case of selecting which of the resources I had already made I was going to use.

Nanami · Post by **Nanami** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:59 pm

It's really nice work, I was very impressed with how nice it looks.

You think we could talk you into helping out with ZooM? =)

Hirogen2 · Post by **Hirogen2** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 12:38 am

Enjay wrote:The railgun is a heavily modified RoTT weapon. In fact, from memory, it is mainly made from 3 of the RoTT weapons chopped about and re-joined to each other in a sort of Frakenstein-esque way. I did that myself, then did a bit of re-colouring and adding flashes and so on. I think the flash was based on the Doom shotgun one.

Hey, I noticed that dammit

Firewall Firebomb and Heatseeker overlaid plus the shotgun's flash.
Want more levels! Highly cool

David Ferstat · Post by **David Ferstat** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:49 am

HotWax wrote:... However, I agree that it belongs as a new flag in a DEH patch/lump. Why? Because if someone makes a weapon mod designed to be used with any other levels, there won't be any MAPINFO lump to read from.

Didn't think of that. Damn.

Thanks, Steve!

Hirogen2 · Post by **Hirogen2** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:53 am

Just FYI, he wasn't suggesting a single flag to make every weapon silent. However, I agree that it belongs as a new flag in a DEH patch/lump. Why? Because if someone makes a weapon mod designed to be used with any other levels, there won't be any MAPINFO lump to read from.

Are not MAPINFO non-cumulative, are they?

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:38 pm

Enjay has a good point, too. Heretic and Hexen weapons can't be affected by DEH patches. I like his suggestion of the KEYCONF lump. That's something that could be included with a weapons mod and would be able to affect all weapons from all games. Assuming the lump is cumulative, it should allow the changes to affect any other loaded pwad.

cccp_leha · Post by **cccp_leha** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:21 pm

*clap* *clap* hat's off, Enjay.
BTW, I noticed that during the intro, the guy's mouth moves even when he is not "talking"

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Nanami · Post by **Nanami** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:19 pm

I'm pretty sure KEYCONF isn't cumulative. It may be, but I can see problems with that already:

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KEYCONF # 1:
setslot 4 Crossbow
addslotdefault 4 Chaingun

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KEYCONF # 2:
setslot 4 CWeapFlame
addslotdefault 4 Chaingun

Say goodbye to that crossbow bind.

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 1:52 am

Nanami wrote:I'm pretty sure KEYCONF isn't cumulative. It may be, but I can see problems with that already:
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KEYCONF # 1:
setslot 4 Crossbow
addslotdefault 4 Chaingun
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KEYCONF # 2:
setslot 4 CWeapFlame
addslotdefault 4 Chaingun
Say goodbye to that crossbow bind.

I thought of this as well, but discarded it as unimportant. Two loaded wads that both modify weapons are likely to have clashes anyway. Even if they don't, expecting that MOD A loaded with MOD B should work 100% of the time is asking a bit much. There are unpreventable conflicts that arise when combining any two WADs that weren't meant to work together, this is just another case of "deal with it and move on."

Post by **Enjay** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:23 am

cccp_leha wrote:BTW, I noticed that during the intro, the guy's mouth moves even when he is not "talking" .

Heh, no, he talks all the time at a slow measured pace, even when the text is not on screen. His mouth is still moving when you've stopped reading, that's all.

Nanami · Post by **Nanami** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:10 am

HotWax wrote:
Nanami wrote:I'm pretty sure KEYCONF isn't cumulative. It may be, but I can see problems with that already:
Code: Select all
KEYCONF # 1:
setslot 4 Crossbow
addslotdefault 4 Chaingun
Code: Select all
KEYCONF # 2:
setslot 4 CWeapFlame
addslotdefault 4 Chaingun
Say goodbye to that crossbow bind.
I thought of this as well, but discarded it as unimportant. Two loaded wads that both modify weapons are likely to have clashes anyway. Even if they don't, expecting that MOD A loaded with MOD B should work 100% of the time is asking a bit much. There are unpreventable conflicts that arise when combining any two WADs that weren't meant to work together, this is just another case of "deal with it and move on."

Heh, that's true. And of course other lumps can overwrite parts of others. That's why load order is important. Of course, if you loaded ZooM's KEYCONF it would totally annihilate any previous KEYCONFs because it "setslots" every slot and redoes the weapons from the ground up, and even reorganizes some of them. o.O

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:21 pm

Nanami wrote:Heh, that's true. And of course other lumps can overwrite parts of others. That's why load order is important. Of course, if you loaded ZooM's KEYCONF it would totally annihilate any previous KEYCONFs because it "setslots" every slot and redoes the weapons from the ground up, and even reorganizes some of them. o.O

Well that's a perfect example of why it doesn't matter. If you loaded ZooM on top of some other weapons mod, even if the KEYCONF didn't get eradicated, the other resources would thoroughly mess up the weapons mod. If you loaded it after, the weapons mod would mess up some of the ZooM weapons. See? It's a non-issue anyway.

Goukuma · Post by **Goukuma** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 10:39 pm

Awesome map/mini-mod. It's like what Marine Doom should have been. All-around nice work with realistic caves, creepy labs (sounds + lighting + sheer quantity of test subjects created a good effect) , and a well done large sniping area. I think a DM version could work maybe with added passages and cover.

Is that ending music from the A-Team?

Post by **Enjay** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:23 am

Goukuma wrote:Is that ending music from the A-Team?

Yes.

In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum-security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no-one else can help and if you can find them, maybe you can hire - the A-Team.

David Ferstat · Post by **David Ferstat** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:24 am

Enjay wrote:
In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum-security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no-one else can help and if you can find them, maybe you can hire - the A-Team.

Note the miss-spent youth.