Linux ZDoom on a PPC machine? (Randy?)
Considering how long it's been since the G4 was released, I don't think that's asking too much. A G3 would likely be slower than my old Pentium II, which has problems keeping framerates up when decals are on the screen. The G5 would be nice for the being able to test for 64-bit correctness, but I don't really expect to get one for free. I just mention it in case it really is an option.Mannequin wrote:That's pretty stiff for someone who wants a free computer.
But considering that the last Mac I used is nearly 10 years old now, anything is probably better than what I've previously experienced on the Mac.
My brother has owned two Macs for more than a year now, and I can say about them without hesitation that any task that does not involve gaming, the Mac clearly does better. To think otherwise is folly, unfamiliarity with the system notwithstanding. And a two button mouse (or more, I personally cant live with less than 5 + a wheel) works perfectly well with them, so dont bring that up.HotWax wrote: Wise man say: Is good to be open-minded; but, one should not be so open-minded that one's brain falls out of one's head.
Actually, my G3 400 MHz machine runs faster than my sister's Pentium III running at 700 MHz. When she bought it 2 years after I purchased my computer, I was amazed at how slow her's was.randy wrote:Considering how long it's been since the G4 was released, I don't think that's asking too much. A G3 would likely be slower than my old Pentium II, which has problems keeping framerates up when decals are on the screen.Mannequin wrote:That's pretty stiff for someone who wants a free computer.
If I had a spare G3 - G5 I would try to send it to you. But, I'm afraid that even if I did have one, my wife would scoop it up REALLY quickly. Her computer is only a Pentium 166 MHz.The G5 would be nice for the being able to test for 64-bit correctness, but I don't really expect to get one for free. I just mention it in case it really is an option.
But considering that the last Mac I used is nearly 10 years old now, anything is probably better than what I've previously experienced on the Mac.
-M.
Hmm. No promises of course, but I'll see what I come up with.randy wrote:So maybe the G3 wouldn't be so bad. I've never actually used anything more recent than the first generation PowerMacs, so I don't really know. I still think at least a G4 would be best, since those have AltiVec, which should be very useful if I ever get around to writing a true color renderer.
If you buy at the right time, you can get good prices on Macs. I bought a Powerbook for $1000.00 less when they brought in the G4.HotWax wrote:Okay, 1) I'm a gamer, and 2) You forgot the price tag factor. Yes, on average a Mac of equal MHz with a PC will be faster, but it will also be three times as expensive!Chilvence wrote:I can say about them without hesitation that any task that does not involve gaming, the Mac clearly does better.
But, in truth, the price is not too bad because you are getting high quality parts on all of the machines, they hardly ever crash when compared to a PC, and they, as you have already mentioned, are faster than comparable PC's. (This is because the PowerPC processor uses RISC. The processors run faster, cooler, and they are smaller.)
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Geeees, when will you all descover that Hotwax is really stubborn and refuses to budge from his views no matter how good the thing really is!? 
. Being sereouse though, continually trying tp persuade Hotwax otherwise is just going to start flames... and we don't; want that, DO WE!?
Truthfully, Macs are far more reliable and faster than PC's... but the point here is that they aren't for what Hotwax requires. Even if I had a mac I'd still have a PC to play Doom with. Then again, my mac would just be fore creating music on and that's it! .
. Being sereouse though, continually trying tp persuade Hotwax otherwise is just going to start flames... and we don't; want that, DO WE!? Truthfully, Macs are far more reliable and faster than PC's... but the point here is that they aren't for what Hotwax requires. Even if I had a mac I'd still have a PC to play Doom with
. Then again, my mac would just be fore creating music on and that's it! .I somehow don't think that giving Hotwax information in a pleasant way will genereate flames from him. Besides, he posted in this thread, and he brought up the issue of the price. As far as I can tell by watching him in different threads, he won't flame you unless you are a dumbass or you are just a plain asshole while posting. (I'm sure there are exceptions to this rule.Lexus Alyus wrote:Geeees, when will you all descover that Hotwax is really stubborn and refuses to budge from his views no matter how good the thing really is!?
)As I used to tell the customers that walked into the Mac store that I used to work at, "If you have mostly PC software, keep your PC. If you have mostly Mac software, buy a Mac. If you don't have a computer, buy a Mac."Truthfully, Macs are far more reliable and faster than PC's... but the point here is that they aren't for what Hotwax requires. Even if I had a mac I'd still have a PC to play Doom with
(Of course, now that I've said all of this, I own mostly PCs.)
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Well of course they're more reliable! It's easy to make your computers reliable when you have a monopoly on all the parts and software! Imagine a world in which you COULDN'T build your own PC, and every part you "chose" to put in it had to come from one manufacturer. Sure, your PC would be more stable. And your freedom of choice has just died a horrible, HORRIBLE death. I love that I can choose between AMD and Intel, NVidia and ATI, and that if somebody comes up with something better, they can enter the running at any time. This concept is known as competition, and it's what keeps prices down and companies innovative. Apple has no competition because of its fiercely loyal fanbase. They can sell you shit in a box and charge you $3000, and at least some of the Mac addicts will buy it willingly and then defend its usefulness to the death.
I'm not a Mac addict, but you ain't right.
First, you have the right to choose between Mac and PC. Second, there are a lot of third-party parts that you can throw in to them. (Things from processors to NVidia to whatever.) Third, Apple uses mostly PC parts these days. (I didn't like it too much when Steve Jobs started doing this, but hey, it helps my point right now.)
Fourth, WTF do you mean by a monopoly on the software? Apple makes some nice software for their machine (and for PC, I might add), but you DON'T have to put anything from Apple on your Mac. I, for one, am using Debian Linux on my machine pretty much full time these days (which doesn't have a bit of Apple software on it). I only have MacOS X on a different partition for development.
Fifth, but this point isn't too valid these days, there were several years ago Mac clones that came out. But as you said, the fan base wasn't ready for the clones. Still, the fact that these came out at all makes your point of no competition invalid. (In fact, most of these points do.) If someone wanted to begin to sell clones again, they wouldn't have a hard time doing so. (They would just have to fight for their customers... but most companies in their beginning have to do that anyway.)
I will concur with you on something, though. If an individual wanted to build a clone from the bottom up, it would be damned hard to.
-M.
First, you have the right to choose between Mac and PC. Second, there are a lot of third-party parts that you can throw in to them. (Things from processors to NVidia to whatever.) Third, Apple uses mostly PC parts these days. (I didn't like it too much when Steve Jobs started doing this, but hey, it helps my point right now.)
Fourth, WTF do you mean by a monopoly on the software? Apple makes some nice software for their machine (and for PC, I might add), but you DON'T have to put anything from Apple on your Mac. I, for one, am using Debian Linux on my machine pretty much full time these days (which doesn't have a bit of Apple software on it). I only have MacOS X on a different partition for development.
Fifth, but this point isn't too valid these days, there were several years ago Mac clones that came out. But as you said, the fan base wasn't ready for the clones. Still, the fact that these came out at all makes your point of no competition invalid. (In fact, most of these points do.) If someone wanted to begin to sell clones again, they wouldn't have a hard time doing so. (They would just have to fight for their customers... but most companies in their beginning have to do that anyway.)
I will concur with you on something, though. If an individual wanted to build a clone from the bottom up, it would be damned hard to.
-M.
I thought the reason there aren't any Mac clones anymore was because the clones all outperformed genuine Apples, so Apple pulled their MacOS licensing deals. Some company could build another machine with a PowerPC in it, but it wouldn't be able to run Mac software, so what would be the point?Mannequin wrote:If someone wanted to begin to sell clones again, they wouldn't have a hard time doing so.