Bug? A_Explode causes infighting

Post by **Xaser** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:52 am

Chaingun thread?

/me gets mugged by two dozen Doom purists and anally raped.

Sticky · Post by **Sticky** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:53 am

You're the one who accepts enemata from strangers...or used to.

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:02 am

I said never!!!! NEVER accept enemata from strangers!!!

Sticky · Post by **Sticky** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:06 am

You know all the purists here, they're not strangers....

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:55 am

How about adding a DontHurtSpecies flag? That would solve all problems without breaking anything.

And HotWax: This does not in any way affect normal Doom behavior. So far I have seen 3 or 4 WADs which create a monster that is affected by it and in all cases this self-exploding behavior was more of an annoyance than a 'feature' because those monsters simply were no threat because it was too easy to make them blow up others of the same kind or themselves.

Post by **Xaser** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 2:04 pm

Good idea Graf. That would be very useful.

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 2:06 pm

Oh sure, you personally don't use the feature and suddenly it's an "annoyance". This was the way id coded the game!! Who are we to take id's freely given source code and change it for our own uses with their blessing?!?! BLASPHEMERS I TELL YOU!!!

Chilvence · Post by **Chilvence** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:27 pm

Give it a rest...

Graf, I didnt realise DontHurtSpecies as a flag would be simple, but yeah that would be a good idea.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:04 pm

Hotwax, you are an idiot!

It is not an issue because this particular behavior IS NOT BEING USED BY ANY ID MONSTER!!!

As I said, I have seen 3 or 4 WADs which contain monsters that use an exploding missile and are not immune to it and in all of those it's more or less a problem. The reason there are so few is the simple fact that those monsters are useless with the standard behavior. As opposed to the chaingun behavior which would break a lot of people's way of playing. Now shut up, please!

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:44 pm

*HotWax forms a picket line to protest the changing of his good and pure Doom code*

Nanami · Post by **Nanami** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:52 pm

Graf Zahl wrote:How about adding a DontHurtSpecies flag? That would solve all problems without breaking anything.

I've wanted something like that for a while, as well as a way to define monsters as "species," like how Barons and Hell Knights are the same "species." I wanted to make a new imp that doesn't hurt and doesn't take damage from normal imps.

It could be done in a way like:

1) For the new imp, use Species DoomImp (makes new imp same species as old)
2) For both species, use Species ImpSpecies (defines a new species called "ImpSpecies," and both are put in this species)

You could probably even make complex speicies:

Code: Select all

DoomImp:
Species ImpSpecies, Humanoid

EvilImp:
Species ImpSpecies, Shadow

DarkImp:
Species Shadow, Humanoid

EvilDemon:
Species Shadow

EvilHuman:
Species Humanoid

Might be interesting. ;) Top three couldn't hurt eachother, but different combinations could/couldn't hurt the bottom two.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:08 am

Species are defined by inheritance. That is, if you create a monster based on an imp it can't hurt imps and cannot be hurt by imps. Anything else would be a little too complex to code.

And HotWax, if you are serious with your last post go back and play with DOOM2.EXE!

Nanami · Post by **Nanami** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:46 am

Graf Zahl wrote:Species are defined by inheritance. That is, if you create a monster based on an imp it can't hurt imps and cannot be hurt by imps. Anything else would be a little too complex to code.[/b]

When was that done?

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:26 am

Wait for 2.0.64. Randy said something about it.

Nanami · Post by **Nanami** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:33 am

Maybe it's because I've brought up this topic before. =P