ZDoom

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I encountered the same issue in Heretic2, so this is DEFINITELY not a Zdoom
bug.

Hehe, every time I see him mention Doom using "D3D", I have to chuckle. "Input via D3D." Hehehehehehe.

So VMware doesn't quite move the mouse to the right location when the Win32 calls are used to move it. Since it works on a real Windows machines, that would make it a VMware bug.

BTW, Direct3D and DirectInput are not the same thing, although both fall under the category of "DirectX."

[quote="randy"]Every OS has bugs, even Linux. That doesn't change the fact that VMware's DirectX support is incomplete. To make ZDoom uses old-fashioned Win32 mouse calls instead of DirectInput, set in_mouse to 1.[/quote]Yes, yes, mouse input via D3D is like there is no mouse, and using in_mouse makes the player turn a bit left on every mouse event.

Hotwax: Wine is less of an emulation as VMware
The speed Linux gains can be lost in the emulation, like, a buffer. :)
Right, the emulated machine IS slower (ZDoom/Win: ~250fps, /VM: 150fps), but with today's fast processors... I can't *see* (biologically) any difference between 250 and 150 :)

Someone could close this topic then?

Yes, and anywho my point was that reporting bugs that are caused by VMWare, or your faulty hardware, or your little brother, or anything other than ZDoom itself, is completely non-helpful. That is all.

Every OS has bugs, even Linux. That doesn't change the fact that VMware's DirectX support is incomplete. To make ZDoom uses old-fashioned Win32 mouse calls instead of DirectInput, set in_mouse to 1.

[quote="Hirogen2"]Slow: You must second (what the word???) that Windows (at least 98!) is slower than a Linux :)[/quote]

I was referring to its speed of emulation. Obviously, something designed to be run in Windows will run the fastest in Windows. If the emulation is very good, the speed may be matched. Rarely would it ever be exceeded. Even if you managed to find a setup where Windows emulation was faster than the real thing, the fact still remains that an implementation designed specifically for Linux would still be faster.

I don't question that Linux is faster. The simple fact that the OS is non-graphical and doesn't have the useless extras that Windows comes with would accomplish that. However, since 90% of programs (particularly games) are incompatible (natively) with Linux, I fail to see how that's much of an incentive to use it.

[quote]Incompatible: Just as incompatible as any other OS. Apparently, Wine handles a piece of this, so the Win32 PE format is the most compatible ^_^ it's supported by [b]2[/b] OSes (Win and uh Wine)... anybody know more?[/quote]

Again, I was not referring to Linux, but to your emulation of Windows. Since it doesn't support 100% of the programs, devices, etc that Windows does, it is less compatible than a "pure" Windows installation.

[quote]Inaccurate: got an example? I do not have one for either OS.[/quote]

Any emulation is unlikely to be 100% accurate, and as Windows changes, the emulation will have to struggle to keep up. Hence my use of the term.

[quote]Buggy: 100+ points for Windows :P really heh. But c'mon, Windows is like WinDEU32 ("v5.99b1"). It has bugs, but they can be circumvented; not always thu.[/quote]

With this I was going purely off of what has already been stated in this thread. No DirectX support? Known issues with the hardware (namely the, uh.... mouse)? Sounds buggy to me.

I also fail to see how you're so surprised that DirectX calls don't work when DirectX isn't present. That would seem to be self-evident. The mouse in Windows is not DirectX dependent, the mouse calls in ZDoom are. Is this concept so hard to grasp?

Same.
Though I am going to analyze that strange behavior myself then ^_^ if I like to :P
It just can't be that Win32 Mouse GDI calls yield different results on different uh..."computers".
To fast summarize: Mouse (GDI not D3D) works in: Windows itself Win98, ZDoom on Win98, Windows itself VM, but not ZDoom VM...

Slow: You must second (what the word???) that Windows (at least 98!) is slower than a Linux :)
Incompatible: Just as incompatible as any other OS. Apparently, Wine handles a piece of this, so the Win32 PE format is the most compatible ^_^ it's supported by [b]2[/b] OSes (Win and uh Wine)... anybody know more?
Inaccurate: got an example? I do not have one for either OS.
Buggy: 100+ points for Windows :P really heh. But c'mon, Windows is like WinDEU32 ("v5.99b1"). It has bugs, but they can be circumvented; not always thu.

[quote="Hirogen2"]Yes, this is probably a waste of time. <filler...>
[quote="HotWax"]I'm not one to tell people how to use their computers, but I do question the validity of looking for "bugs" in a slow, incompatible, inaccurate, and buggy emulation of the operating system ZDoom supports.[/quote]
Sounds like you're describing Windows itself. :)[/quote]

hehehe. Okay, I *must* give kudos for that comeback. Very nice. *Insert applause here*

Now let me rephrase:

"...I do question the validity of looking for "bugs" in a slow, incompatible, inaccurate, and buggy emulation of the [b]slow, incompatible, inaccurate, and buggy[/b] operating system ZDoom supports."

Better?

Yes, this is probably a waste of time. <filler...>
[quote="HotWax"]I'm not one to tell people how to use their computers, but I do question the validity of looking for "bugs" in a slow, incompatible, inaccurate, and buggy emulation of the operating system ZDoom supports.[/quote]
Sounds like you're describing Windows itself. :)

I'm not one to tell people how to use their computers, but I do question the validity of looking for "bugs" in a slow, incompatible, inaccurate, and buggy emulation of the operating system ZDoom supports. Since any problems that arise are likely to be due to the emulation and not ZDoom itself, how does reporting these "bugs" help Randy?

Hm? 640x400 (or 480 in case the "VMware SVGA II card" can't handle 400).
1. So, if DirectX has to fake anything the hardware does not provide, it does not seem to call the Windows GDI calls.
2. Upon every mouse event (moving to the right one "unit", looking up/down, pressing/releasing button, mousewheel, etc), the player turns left a bit. Now, this is a bug -- but then again, only within VMware and probably not within ZDoom.

Dunno if I already posted this, but here are some FPS values (AMD AXP2K+):
Plain Windows 256MB: ~260fps
VMware Windows 64MB: ~150fps
Well that's simply enough. I doubt you will notice the difference between 150fps and 260.

Oh? What resolution?

[quote="Hirogen2"]Heh since ZDoom is a software renderer anyway, it does not need HW support[/quote]
Hardware support includes more than just Direct3D. For instance, writing directly to video memory requires hardware support. If you don't have that, DirectDraw has to fake it using old-fashioned bitmaps and GDI calls when you Lock/Unlock the surface.