7z/pk7 dragndrop

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Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by randi » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:33 pm

DavidPH wrote:But not .pk7 because it's silly and non-standard.
Whatever. PK7 is fine. It's like pk3, but 7-Zipped. I've already used it long before this suggestion.

And for anyone making a .pk7, you should use a small block size. You don't need to put every file in its own block, but you shouldn't put every file in the same block, either. This is a compromise between compression efficiency and file extraction efficiency.

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by NeuralStunner » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:09 pm

Ceeb wrote:Or WAZD. Where's All the Zipped Data? ;)
I like it! :D

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by Ceeb » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:24 pm

NeuralStunner wrote:WAZ
Or WAZD. Where's All the Zipped Data? ;)

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by NeuralStunner » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:59 pm

DavidPH wrote:Maybe .zwad or .wadz.
look i has wadz an u dont!!1 lulz :P

Aside from Gez being right, (they aren't just compressed wads,) it would be better as something like WAZ. Some Win32 users do still use 8.3, (dunno why, but it is still an option in XP,) and many extensions have a 3-length variation, like HTM for HTML. (The pre-extension part is already handled by the ~1, etc. scheme.)
Nash wrote:Enjay's PKZ sounds nice!
I've already been using it. :)

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by Gez » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:34 pm

DavidPH wrote:Or a name that is based on compress(ed) rather than zip(ped) like .cwad.
They're not compressed wads. Well, sure, they can be, but the recommended organization is entirely different, so pkwhatever, for "PacKage", is just fine.
DavidPH wrote:Of course, as a Linux user, I'm confident that this whole file extension thing is just a phase that will, in time, pass. I mean, they're really more of a suggestion to the user (pesky users), after all. This whole discussion in a way is an admission that file extensions are just the arbitrary series of characters people sometimes put at the end of a filename. So why not just discard them as the meaningless fodder they are? Why not treat all filenames as equals? I say we throw off the chains of oppression by extensions and- er...
I can't agree with that because they are very handy. Sure, you could have the operating system instead scan every file of every folder and apply recognition algorithms to identify their type; but it's eleventy jillionteen-five times more fasterer to rely on the extension. And it allows to have files of similar format with a different extension, that will be treated differently as you want. For example, ZDoom's savegames are actually PNG files.

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by DavidPH » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:23 pm

Maybe .zwad or .wadz. Or a name that is based on compress(ed) rather than zip(ped) like .cwad.

Of course, as a Linux user, I'm confident that this whole file extension thing is just a phase that will, in time, pass. I mean, they're really more of a suggestion to the user (pesky users), after all. This whole discussion in a way is an admission that file extensions are just the arbitrary series of characters people sometimes put at the end of a filename. So why not just discard them as the meaningless fodder they are? Why not treat all filenames as equals? I say we throw off the chains of oppression by extensions and- er...

More on topic: I agree that the .7z extensions should probably be acknowledged by ZDoom. But not .pk7 because it's silly and non-standard.

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by wildweasel » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:13 am

DaMan wrote:Whatever you choose can you make it quick.
This is a great way to ensure that a change takes longer to occur.

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by Xaser » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:54 am

Nash: Anything but .zip is fine, really. I'm adamant on advocating the .pk3 extension just because it's the only other alternative. The thing is, who's going to adopt the standard? Shall we have another meeting of the UDMF council? :P

.PKZ sounds fine to me, though I'd find it really odd if some use it and others don't. But that's life, I suppose.

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by DaMan » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:46 pm

Whatever you choose can you make it quick. I asked for PK7 support in WADSEEKER/GetWad so Skulltag can use it.

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by Nash » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:54 pm

Maybe the community should agree on a "don't extract this" extension, and make it a standard.

Enjay's PKZ sounds nice!

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by Blzut3 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:14 pm

Gez wrote:zips are not especially associated with the number 3
Sure they are. Take a look at the first three bytes of a zip file. It should read "P K 0x03". :p
Spoiler: Here I did it for you
Can't really do that for a 7z archive since the header starts with "7z". So the only logical "don't extract this" extensions I can think of are PK7 or SZ.

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by Ryan Cordell » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:12 am

ZDoom's PK3's? Everybody?

Make that most. :P

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by Graf Zahl » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:08 am

What can you do? Everybody uses that extension...

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by Enjay » Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:23 am

I still think it should have been PKZ. :P

Aside from anything else, Zdoom PK3s are not the same as idtech ones because of the different internal directory structure.

Re: 7z/pk7 dragndrop

by DaMan » Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:15 am

I got pk7 from the wiki. We got a decade or 3 until id tech 7 shows up so we can safely claim it.

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