ZDoom

[quote="bagheadspidey"]I'm trying right now with a ticrate of 70... ok this is actually very cool...

* music and sound are ok (normal speed)
* everything else is twice as fast - movement, monsters, animations, projectiles, etc.[/quote]
Oooh, mind showing this off? I'd like to mess with that.

Why not see for yourself? Change TICRATE to something else in src/doomdef.h and recompile.

I'm trying right now with a ticrate of 70... ok this is actually very cool...

* music and sound are ok (normal speed)
* everything else is twice as fast - movement, monsters, animations, projectiles, etc.

Anyway the only way I could see this being useful would be something like if decorate tics were changed to really mean two tics, and half-tics were allowed...

Honestly I don't think we need finer resolution tics, though. I'd much rather be able to use fractional numbers for thrust thing and related functions.

[quote="edward850"]Enlighten me. How different would it get?[/quote]


How should I know? I'm not a masochist and try to do this. But it wouldn't be the same.

[quote="tubers93"]Only some parts are possible :wink: I don't know programming[/quote]

Then kindly refrain from commenting in programming related topics

Enlighten me. How different would it get?

If you change the timing of the engine there is no way to compensate for that. Even if you got every single value correct the physics will no longer be the same.

[quote="Gez"]Why do you think I talked about how many parts of the engine would require to be changed?[/quote] Only some parts are possible :wink: I don't know programming

[quote="tubers93"][quote="Gez"][quote="edward850"]Seems possible. Wouldn't make the game somewhat smoother if it was?[/quote]
Of course.

But there are many parts of the engine that'd need to be changed to reflect a "minitic" that's just a fraction of the original tic.[/quote] I don't think that is possible, if it was split it might cause problems.[/quote]
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Why do you think I talked about how many parts of the engine would require to be changed?

[quote="Gez"][quote="edward850"]Seems possible. Wouldn't make the game somewhat smoother if it was?[/quote]
Of course.

But there are many parts of the engine that'd need to be changed to reflect a "minitic" that's just a fraction of the original tic.[/quote] I don't think that is possible, if it was split it might cause problems.

[quote="edward850"]Seems possible. Wouldn't make the game somewhat smoother if it was?[/quote]
Of course.

But there are many parts of the engine that'd need to be changed to reflect a "minitic" that's just a fraction of the original tic.

Seems possible. Wouldn't make the game somewhat smoother if it was?

I imagine the 35 Hz tic rate was chosen because exactly two video frames fit in that duration, as Doom's video mode was 70 Hz. Had computers of the time been faster, would they have used a 70 Hz tic instead?

This is just speculation on my part.

It's quite easy to do so since it's a preprocessor constant. So you've got only one value to change somewhere, and everything is (or at least, should be) updated.

But of course, don't expect it to still behave "like Doom should" since the simulation will be accelerated.

Of course, you could always modify the code yourself and make the tics process twice as fast...

Then have fun playing with your double-time version of Doom. ;)

Just to be clear, a tic is not some official scientific unit. The actual duration of a tic is defined on a case by case basis. A tic, in a game (or really any simulation in general), is generally [b]the smallest single unit of time[/b]. One iteration of the game/simulation loop, or one complete update to the game/simulation state is updated is often a single tic. When making Doom, id Software chose to make the tic 1/35 of a second, and this was coded as something fundamental in the basics of the engine (that's why vanilla Doom ran at 35 FPS, one screen refresh per tic). I can go off and make a game or simulation that has 15 tics in a second, or 40, or 125, or whatever I want. There is no actual value to a tic in general, only within certain contexts.

Basically, by the intended definition of what it is supposed to be, you can't subdivide a tic. As for ZDoom itself, I'm not in a position to be foretelling the ramifications of even just trying to change this, but suffice to say that Graf's declaration of it being basically impossible is more than sufficient for me, and really should be for anyone else.