[MAPINFO] Seamless level transition

ace · Post by **ace** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:01 pm

We already have the ability to remove the intermission of levels, why not have the ability to remove the transition effect (i.e. crossfade, melt, burn, etc)? I know there are going to be people who will think, "It isn't Doom," but the fact is that in many a situation this will quite come in handy. For example, if you wanted to make one large construct, much like RTC-3057 did, but rather have simply a line crossed and then (though the framerate may "hiccup" for a split second for the level loading) you would be in a new area, which is actually a new map.

I think that if this were in MAPINFO, such as "notransition" or whatever, it would make a great addition.

Killionaire · Post by **Killionaire** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:21 pm

As far as if it was possible I don't know, as i have no editing experience.

However, I would definitely like something like this implemented, possiblity of making several maps seem like one well-divided thing (ie. RTC-3057) instead of a group of maps connected only by a txt file's story.

Shadelight · Post by **Shadelight** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:24 pm

look at the way ZDCMP2 did their Hub, I'm sure you'll find what your looking for in there.

SirTimberWolf · Post by **SirTimberWolf** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:19 pm

Yeah, though I dont see how this could be done (im not programmer) It'd be a great thing to have... Nothing ruins the atmosphere like a level load =(

At least for me anyway

Shadelight · Post by **Shadelight** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:23 pm

gah! SirTimberWolf, you completly missed my post.

I wrote:look at the way ZDCMP2 did their Hub, I'm sure you'll find what your looking for in there.

ace · Post by **ace** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:28 pm

Umm... well, how would I go about that? Is it somewhere in the thread on it? I haven't been following that so much.

Shadelight · Post by **Shadelight** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:31 pm

.....look in the wad.

DomRem · Post by **DomRem** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:46 pm

KoF, you don't seem to get it. Ace already knows about hubs:

We already have the ability to remove the intermission of levels

He's asking about this:

why not have the ability to remove the transition effect

I dunno if this will make it in, since it is the user's option to determine what screen wipe they want. I won't complain if it does, though, since it would make the transition much better if you're keeping the player in the same place.

Phobus · Post by **Phobus** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:32 am

Well, in ZDCMP2 the transition and nodebuild stil lremain (as well as the autosave) but it's not really that bad, I thought, especially with pre-constructed nodes.

The Ultimate DooMer · Post by **The Ultimate DooMer** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:13 pm

I did this in Super Sonic DooM, in the mapinfo you place all the maps in one cluster, put the line "NOINTERMISSION" on each map and add the line "hub" to the clusterdef. (same as in Hexen)

(btw you don't need to worry about "it's not Doom" comments, new features are actively encouraged in ZDoom)

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:15 pm

Using NOINTERMISSION is certainly better than a hub unless you aren't bothered by huge savegames and other problems that might appear.

ace · Post by **ace** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:01 pm

The Ultimate DooMer wrote:I did this in Super Sonic DooM, in the mapinfo you place all the maps in one cluster, put the line "NOINTERMISSION" on each map and add the line "hub" to the clusterdef. (same as in Hexen)

This wasn't the problem in the first place. The real problem was the screen wipe, and now the player being tossed around upon re-entry of a level (which I think may be a bug because it started happening in RTC as well). If I could just not have that in there...

Graf Zahl wrote:Using NOINTERMISSION is certainly better than a hub unless you aren't bothered by huge savegames and other problems that might appear.

That's true, unless you're dealing with a non-linear layout. If you want it to be a type of place where it's linear, sure, but when you're dealing with something like

Go from point A to point C then back to point A, and from that point go to point B, then go back to point A, then make your way to point E, then take the elevator to point D, then go back up to point E, then go to the next area.

then really hubs are the only thing left. Which is why, of course, I want that feature so bad. It's not like RTC where you simply enter an elevator and go to the area it leads to. This is talking about going down a hallway or stairwell which leads to a different area altogether. For that kind of thing you want something less interruptive.

Besides, this wouldn't have to be just for hubs. Who is to say that nobody wants to have linear levels that just lead through to the next one without any intermission or screen change?

SMG M7 · Post by **SMG M7** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:33 pm

What you're saying sounds a lot like the HL or HL2 level technique, actually.

Killo Zapit · Post by **Killo Zapit** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:34 am

I still think this would be a good idea.

ace · Post by **ace** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:24 am

That actually is also an excellent idea. So much more would be possible, I think, if either were added.