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Posted: **Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:07 am**

Post feedback & bug reports here! This is introduction to the projects new gameplay features.

This mod should have "something for everyone".

Main "selling" point of the mod is being able to watch and play beach soccer with demons!

Play some beach soccer!

There is also dynamically breaking environment, player can climb to ledges and inventory items(optional). Goal: to keep player interested all the time. Many gameplay options on every major area. Fast paced combat with exploration. Trying to maximize interaction with the world and give the feeling it being alive.

Dynamically destroyable environment:

Nice looking environments including a construction site.

-Two gameplay options.
Puzzley way with dialogs and NPCs.
or straightforward shoot everything on your way as what Doom is all about. (removes all above)
-Two monster tiers
Play with custom monsters. There is 5 difficulty options varying from "walking simulator" to very hard.
or play "Doom2 monsters only" with one difficulty being implemented like basic Ultra-violence. (mostly for gameplay mods)

Thoughts:

Spoiler:
Altough I don't know anymore which is difficult or easy nowadays.. There are so insanely difficult wads out there. So feedback concerning difficulties is of course more than welcome.

Why so many options? Most of the time is spent on world building so giving alternatives to gameplay is good as not so much effort is "wasted", as more people can play it. Well, amount of work to support all of it was surprisingly big. I have to cut out options on future releases or get someone else to do some of the difficulty testing. Too much testing. It's too easy to leave wrong flag setting on those actors. There was like missing dynamic lights and decorations on different difficulties and something like that which aren't always easy even notice.

I would suggest all to start from puzzley gameplay as it isn't so difficult. It's like Half-life style of progression. Using puzzle/inventory items is "old-school" way. You have to figure out what to use where. They have a logic behind them.

Should I remove all the custom armors, inventory items etc. from Doom2 monsters option? It's mostly for who play with mods and I'm no expert on what breaks compatibility.

Installation. Get newest GZDoom:
https://www.zdoom.org/downloads

Download zip v0.4 :
19.11.2020 minor fixes
-Axe is faster and does more damage on 2nd attack.
-Got rid of secondary scope on sniper and it's even more faster.
-Supply crates are now implemented much more better way
-Balancing

http://www.mediafire.com/file/rkt3f5g36 ... 4.zip/file
Mirror:
https://files.fm/u/h59xtma9t

Unzip it.

Drop PK3's to the GZDoom.exe or use you favourite mod-launcher. You should have Doom2.wad or Freedoom.wad in the game folder. I added Nash's Nasgore mod to download so pick it also.

Bind keys for inventory(use, drop,select), jumping, crouching and secondary fire. Bind key optionally for dropping weapons. Freelook intented, autoaim off. You should activate "alternate hud" from options before I figure out how to make my own hud.

More pics.

Spoiler:
Center:

Interior:

Alley:

Known bugs

Spoiler:
-Couldn't figure out why sentry turret won't work sometimes.
-Couldn't figure out how to add ability to climb on also actors. Climbable Actors should be determined with a flag or something.
-...or how to prevent climbing steep slopes.
-I just can't assign conversation ID to the minigunners at Allied Marines.wad
-FPS issues, which I don't get. There shouldn't be more than 5000-6000 walls drawn simultaneously. I've GTX1060 3GB.
-Breaking walls. Should limit spawning debris effects for those.. Can drop fps.
-Some models can disappear when viewing them on specific angles. I hope I fixed all of them but there can be still some.
-Some models give error "material not found" while are displayed correctly in the game.
-You can propably go out of bounds somewhere even I think I tested all the possibilities. At least by rocket jumping or something like that.
-Weird graphical glitch when looking outside from the shop at the start of the level. No idea what causes it.
-Soccer ball can have too much velocity as to go through walls.

Problems.
Textures and items having different scale.
Some objects are models, some sprites
Even some commercial releases have had that problem so I hope the player can adjust to it. This have been one man attempt to collect resources.

I had to do total reset to my mapping on .. May(?) because the design became too nonlinear and complex to handle. I will use it on later releases as I figure out what to do with it, how to make it work. It kind of annoys me because design looked good and was bigger. Gameplay was ok but couldn't figure out the progression there.

Why GZDoom or Doom anyway?

Spoiler:
-Freedom of doing anything, and fast. Your creativity is the only obstacle. You don't need a massive 100 person team to produce a great game. That of course is mostly due to great effort made decades by Doom mod community. I greatly inspire all to try.
-Doom2 has a great variability on monsters. Not only hitscanners, also projectiles. Not only projectiles but homing projectiles. Even more variety with custom monsters.
-Mapping is fast and tools are constantly updated.

One excerpt on this:
"one cannot deny that it’s a veritable clinic of clever level design. In this sense, it still offers lessons for today’s game developers, whether they happen to be working inside or outside of the genre it came to define." https://www.filfre.net/2020/06/the-shar ... rt-4-doom/

Resource pack is quite nice, I think. Could there be a community project based on this?

Credits:

Spoiler:
=============================================================================
Lost civilization 2, episode 1 by Jaakko "Jaska" Impola

All mapping by me.
All resources gathered by me.
Some own creations and modifications on almost every category including:
ZScript, Decorate, ACS
Textures, sprites, models, sounds, monsters...
=============================================================================

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ZScript credits
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cherno
all code for damaging objects when dropped

dodopod (Destructible environment)
ZDoom forum link:
"[ZScript] Destructible geometry material handler"
viewtopic.php?f=105&t=63907
Gitlab link (See for tutorial):
https://gitlab.com/dodopod/zscript-material

dodopod (Ledge Climbing)
ZDoom forum link: "[ZScript] Ledge climbing"
viewtopic.php?f=105&t=59085

dodopod (Path finding) [Didn't use it after all (or yet?)]
ZDoom forum link: "[ZScript] A* Pathfinding"
viewtopic.php?f=105&t=58168&p=1091353&hilit=navmesh#p1091353

neoworm
ZDoom forum link:
"HeXen / Heretic - Ultimate decoration pack"
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=66784

Apeirogon (not used?)
ZDoom forum link:
"[Zsript] Simple weather effects"
viewtopic.php?f=105&t=67269

PDA Starter Kit Credits.txt
PDA Starter Kit - Written by Nash Muhandes
ZForms - Written by Gutawer and phantombeta

Marisa Kirisame
Drunken code taken from ouch!

Jekyll Grim Payne
Waterfall fog effect [zscript]
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=69110
https://github.com/jekyllgrim/Waterfall ... m/releases

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Decorate credits
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Basically all credits for decorate are in .wad files... So not copy/pasting them here.
See realm667 monsters section.

Most of the DECORATE monsters, items etc are from Realm667:
https://realm667.com/index.php/en/repository-18489

Some breakable items are from "Doomenhanced"

Red heavy
"Heavy Rifle Guy"
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=55815

Cryobus
[Monster] Cybergunner,Melee Revenant & Cryocubus
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=50614

HeXen / Heretic - Ultimate decoration pack
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=66784

osjclatchford's "trees! grass! bushes! etc... (map decorations!)"
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=35861&start=60
labrat, insane civilians, daisy

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Model credits
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Comment, Jaska:
I scaled some model skins down on quality and/or changed pic format. Some work
to do there still as I wasn't aware of it at first. For example one skin could
take up to 3 megs as bmp but only 0.1 meg on jpg.

Some models had their origins misplaced so I changed them too on some models.
Important specially on models that I put collision on. Also they would clip
through 3d-floors and be seen through that floor.

Also made some models(cubes) myself.. huh
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Models from
Sitters:
http://www.md2.sitters-electronics.nl/models.htm

Blackrayne modelpack:
[Resource] 700 black rayne studios models by WARCHILD_89
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=58223

neoworm
ZDoom forum link:
"HeXen / Heretic - Ultimate decoration pack"
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=66784

TEDER/AA for cable models

Paranoid:
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/level ... r/paranoid

Bottle of rum
https://free3d.com/3d-model/bottle-of-r ... 89804.html

Animated curtains by HAL9000
"Curtains blowing in the wind?"
viewtopic.php?f=122&t=68687
See also folder "credit_other" file: Credits.curtains

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Texture credits
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Textures from Realm667:
https://realm667.com/index.php/en/textu ... -155-26369
Stonghold.pk3
https://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/p ... e-of-chaos
cage_tex.wad (Cage's Texture Pack)
CageTex2.wad
kngpintx.wad (also kingpin_textures.pk3)
rdnrmptx.wad
Textures.wad
outlwtex.wad?
DoomPotpourri.wad
Blood
Duke Nukem 3D
Shadow Warrior
AVP
Ghostbusters Doom Tex's
Cybermage textures
http://realm667.com/index.php/en/forum- ... e-textures
SOF
http://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/do ... rtune/file

maybe some others? great resource.

galileo31dos01 (statusbar)
Mechadon, STKEYS0-8
"Reakuthecrate" the green big numbers (hud).

Idgames archive:
rtp.wad by RottKing
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/rtp
Hellcore 2.0
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/level ... s/g-i/hc20
Epic 2
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/level ... wads/epic2

Ukiro
OTEX_1.1.WAD
https://doom.ukiro.com/about-otex/

Simon 'Sock' O'Callaghan (Sorry for scaling them down so much!)
Industrial & terrain texturepack, see "credits other"-folder
http://www.simonoc.com/pages/artwork/tp_industrial.htm
http://www.simonoc.com/pages/artwork/tp_terrain.htm

elend (liquids)
nue (shadows)
spycek (shadows)

Mechadon (skies etc.)
http://mekworx.the-powerhouse.net/mekas ... ies-v3.zip

Skies
http://www.custommapmakers.org/skyboxes.php

Viggles
http://thief.washboardabs.net/textures/

Inqvisitor 3
Nature tex's, sprites

Clay_Veg
Grass textures (2)

ZDoom forum, rock textures, etc from
abbuws texture extravaganza V3.pk3

Doomworld forum, texture thread
misctec.wad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/9 ... s/?page=40

Ashes2063
tenebrae.wad
Valve.wad, valiant vaccinated edition (skillsaw)
Community chest 4: cc4-tex.wad, Resource Wad
Doom3 textures:
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/ ... -for-doom/
NiGHTMARE
Killing Time:
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=52113
http://www.teamhellspawn.com/stalungcraeft2.0.0wad.zip
chainworm kommando
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/nmncorp2
SGGeroy and Hell_Pike (trees)
Kingpin.pk3
an_mutt support tex
retronova10 crusher panel
LoneAlpha2401 exitsign

Lecture textures captured by Jaska
Also some paintings, 3D model painting textures..

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Sprite credits
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Stonghold.pk3

Clay
GreenTree, BigMassiveTree, bushes etc

Inqvisitor 3 (Trees, bushes, etc)

Cherno
Robots

shtbg 8 (Dead trees etc)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/7 ... s/?page=21

NPCs
-Stronghold
-120skins_.wad, multiplayer skins, see NPC_120skins_.txt for more info

A newer version of the skinpack is available:
[Skins] 150 Doomguy Skins (New Download!)
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=62324

Hexen rocks, haystuff
NeoWorm

Leave debris etc
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/6 ... he-jungle/

lilpastasalad (2 trees)
TR50A0.png -> TreeLC47
TR51A0.png -> TreeLC48

scalliano (PDA sprite, PDA.wad, autosave)
3PDAA0

HACX
BPAKA0, ARM1A0, other sprites, few textures

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Sounds & music credits
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http://www.grsites.com/archive/sounds/
ambient category
household category
http://www.grsites.com/archive/sounds/c ... /?offset=0
See sndinfo.grsites for better info

https://freesound.org
See sndinfo.freesound for better info

From projects:
Paranoid
Stronghold
Verdant citadel
Hexen prop pack
Thief sounds from spooktober, Marisa Kirisanes's SNDINFO
Spooktober Community Mapping Project
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=62163&hilit=spooktober

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Program credits
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Programs that I used:
Ultimate Doom Builder
Slade 3
Gimp
Audacity
Blender
Misfit 3D
for a little .md2 edits. Only one I found working after 5 downloads...
https://sourceforge.net/projects/misfitmodel3d/

AceToolkit by Accensus (for editing dialogs)
viewtopic.php?f=232&t=68329

Text generator:
https://c.eev.ee/doom-text-generator/

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Best communities
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https://www.doomworld.com
https://forum.zdoom.org/

Some Discord servers, not mentioning any now here because I've not got time to chat on those lately.
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Lost civilization 1, Boom-compatible.
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=68048

Donate:

Spoiler:
https://paypal.me/JImpola

https://liberapay.com/Jaska/donate

Posted: **Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:05 pm**

The camera sways left and right as if I was drunk, no idea whats causing it.

Posted: **Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:25 pm**

Serathis wrote:The camera sways left and right as if I was drunk, no idea whats causing it.

Fixed it, uploaded new version.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:40 am**

Super exciting to see a WIP release of this! I loved the first one so I will be checking this out soon and post my thoughts on it.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:48 pm**

Damn man, you are like some sort of detailing guru. These hyper realistic environments in the Doom engine are really quite impressive. I hope to one day get to this point in my mapping.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:49 am**

Yes! Lost Civilization was right up there with the best gaming experiences I've had these past few years. Great pacing and that awesome ending. Can't wait to try this but I'm torn between playing it now or waiting until it's complete to play it all in one go.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:07 am**

I just started playing: it's too early to give my thoughts on it, however I have noticed that there does not appear to be any music in the mod thus far: I remember you mentioned for lost civ 1 that you didn't really play doom whilst using music, however I personally found the soundtrack for that wad to be absolutely great and fitting, so maybe you can find similar music to use for this one? Just a thought.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:57 pm**

Thanks all! No need to wait gennoveus. This is quite short intro. I updated download links as there was some balancing issues.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:47 am**

Jaska wrote:Thanks all! No need to wait gennoveus. This is quite short intro. I updated download links as there was some balancing issues.

OK, you've convinced me! (I didn't need much convincing

) I'll download it now

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:03 am**

Wow, that was amazing and so much fun! Lots of great weapons and mechanics, and that amazing map is the star of the show. The level of detail is insane!

Just some friendly, constructive feedback if you are interested:
1) The climbing mechanic is really cool, but it's a bit inconsistent. Sometimes I can climb things, sometimes I can't. I can understand if programming it so you can climb dynamic objects is difficult, though.
2) The sniper rifle has two zoom modes which take quite a while to switch between. Makes it very slow to use. Maybe just have one zoom setting, and also allow the player to turn it on and off a bit faster?
3) Axe is very, very slow to swing so it made chopping down walls very slow and tedious. The actual mechanic of being able to chop through walls is super cool, though!
4) This last one is just a personal preference, but I feel the weapon switch speed is a touch slow.

That's all. This is just me nit-picking; it was so much fun and I can wait to play the rest. Thank you very much for the entertainment!

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:25 am**

Just finished playing the preview. It looks absolutely amazing, with some of the best architecture and prop usage out there. I would say the amount of custom enemies feels a little strange in that some of them (thinking for example about the mech-demon) don't really seem to offer much in the way of different behavior complated to the original. Some of the weapons (such as the single-shot gun you get at the beginning) also seem either fairly inaccurate or somewhat unreliable. These are minor complaints though, on the whole it was a superb experience, it did feel somewhat on the slow pace: maybe future levels can rely a bit less on enclosed spaces and more on large rooms or open areas, but either way, this is a promising start to what is - just as its predecessor had been - slated to become one of the best WADs ever.

Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:44 am**

gennoveus wrote:Wow, that was amazing and so much fun! Lots of great weapons and mechanics, and that amazing map is the star of the show. The level of detail is insane!

Just some friendly, constructive feedback if you are interested:
1) The climbing mechanic is really cool, but it's a bit inconsistent. Sometimes I can climb things, sometimes I can't. I can understand if programming it so you can climb dynamic objects is difficult, though.
2) The sniper rifle has two zoom modes which take quite a while to switch between. Makes it very slow to use. Maybe just have one zoom setting, and also allow the player to turn it on and off a bit faster?
3) Axe is very, very slow to swing so it made chopping down walls very slow and tedious. The actual mechanic of being able to chop through walls is super cool, though!
4) This last one is just a personal preference, but I feel the weapon switch speed is a touch slow.

That's all. This is just me nit-picking; it was so much fun and I can wait to play the rest. Thank you very much for the entertainment!

Thanks for the feedback!
1) That is one thing I'm thinking about. There should be some kind of flag to be set if thing is climbable... I got just so used to it I didn't even remember it. But it is inconsistent now.
2) True, I tried to speed it up a little.
3) True. I usually drop gasoline canister when going through wall
4) Yeah, It's the original speed.

Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:48 am**

Dynamo wrote:Just finished playing the preview. It looks absolutely amazing, with some of the best architecture and prop usage out there. I would say the amount of custom enemies feels a little strange in that some of them (thinking for example about the mech-demon) don't really seem to offer much in the way of different behavior complated to the original. Some of the weapons (such as the single-shot gun you get at the beginning) also seem either fairly inaccurate or somewhat unreliable. These are minor complaints though, on the whole it was a superb experience, it did feel somewhat on the slow pace: maybe future levels can rely a bit less on enclosed spaces and more on large rooms or open areas, but either way, this is a promising start to what is - just as its predecessor had been - slated to become one of the best WADs ever.

Thanks!
Mech is just for variation and it's sound effect. You expect something bad coming from the garage (and hopefully have spring mine in your hand). First shotgun is meant to force you close to the monsters and crave for a better one so you feel good to have one. Same is for other guns. Future levels are a bit more open and bigger, but big open areas are just difficult to make gameplaywise. And what you said earlier about the music, I'll think about it.

Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:13 am**

This mappack is so damn amazing ..sadly it MELTS my smartphone..
I'll test it soon on my Galaxy tab S7 plus ... hopefully it'll work there

Posted: **Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:23 am**

Small update. See 1st post.

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