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Who cares really? Macs aren't suitable for graf and Hotwax, but they are for me and many other peoples purposes (but not all). A mac is eather benificial for you or not. Just because you don't need to use it doesn't make the users that find it benificial stupid...

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... So, I take this all as a "no, ZDoom cannot be compiled for the PPC platform." -- Unless someone's got a couple thousand dollars they want to lend me so I can ship out a free Mac.

But on the whole subject of MAC SU><0R or WINDOWS TEH 3VIL:

I can't really say anything that hasn't already been said, but if you deal with the Mac OS a lot, it actually isn't all that counterproductive. I worked in my university's art department computer lab for a few months, and they had nothing but G4/G5 machines with a couple dozen G3s thrown in for good measure. OS X is probably one of Apple's best, and I'm definitely happy they finally got a terminal in there. The newer machines are surprisingly solid and great to work with if maintained right.

The biggest gripe I'd have, however, would indeed be the insane prices Apple throws at consumers -- I have both a Windows and a Linux machine (plus peripherals) that together cost as much as one Mac machine and an array of Apple-specific equipment/software. Seriously.

But yeah -- Macs are essentially specialized machines. They're made for either design professionals or end users seeking a very streamlined experience; though it seems with the movement towards a (I think?) BSD core, OS X is becoming more developer-friendly, too. Windows has the advantage, however, because 1) it's everywhere, 2) everyone and their mother codes for it, and 3) it's generalized enough to do practically anything asked of it. Plus PC hardware is very common and comparatively dirt cheap. If Apple wants a better market share, I think they should drop their prices to a reasonable range and put more software on mainstream store shelves. And that whole cultural image might be a problem, too. I haven't been to any Apple stores yet, but I hear they have bouncers at the doors to check your level of trendiness.

I was going to post my opinion, but then I realized nobody cares and nobody would listen.
That was 4 pages ago.

Okay, Carry on.

But I don't care, and I'm not listening.

Risen wrote:

randy wrote:So maybe the G3 wouldn't be so bad. I've never actually used anything more recent than the first generation PowerMacs, so I don't really know. I still think at least a G4 would be best, since those have AltiVec, which should be very useful if I ever get around to writing a true color renderer.

Hmm. No promises of course, but I'll see what I come up with.

Gotta speak up there, risen. I didn't even see that.

anonone wrote:...

But yeah -- Macs are essentially specialized machines. They're made for either design professionals or end users seeking a very streamlined experience;

I think that sums it up perfectly. For me as a programmer coming from a DOS command line environment (which I still heavily use - even under WinXP a Mac is a huge pain in the ass because I can't do anything the way I like.

but just becuase you dont like it dosent mean that nobody else should like it...

geez... you are almost as stubborn as hotwax...

and i thought OS X had a command line... a unix one at that...

I dunno if it does, like I said, the only Mac owner I know is my brother, so I dont use them much. It does have applescript though

Bio Hazard wrote:
and i thought OS X had a command line...

Indeed, Bio Hazard, it does. I think it's a bash shell.

Somehow I have the feeling it's too late now. In certain circles the Mac already has its bad reputation and it's not getting rid of this anymore...

they made a movie on this whole subject on what came first, i forgot its name...

A made for tv movie.. Pirates of Silicon Valley. Pretty good, IMO.

any movie where you get to see microsoft people high on shrooms is a good movie

I must see this movie.