News from 13 June 2003 (273 FPS!)

Hirogen2 · Post by **Hirogen2** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 7:07 am

Hey, if this is Blood (within ZDoom), then we have 3d floors à la Build...

Mannequin · Post by **Mannequin** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 7:47 am

Hirogen2 wrote:Hey, if this is Blood (within ZDoom), then we have 3d floors à la Build...

Yes, but that wasn't true 3D was it? Didn't it transport you to a different part of the map, kind of like the fake floor-over-floor thing that Hexen introduced with the no-fog transporting?

Post by **Kate** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 12:19 pm

Actually, it was done by overlapping two or more sectors.

Mannequin · Post by **Mannequin** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 5:10 pm

Destroyer wrote:Actually, it was done by overlapping two or more sectors.

I never built anything using the Build engine... But, I remember that when you played something like Duke 3D, when you, say went up a True 3D staircase, that the map would show you in a totally different part of the map.

Post by **randi** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 12:37 pm

Hirogen2 wrote:Hey, if this is Blood (within ZDoom), then we have 3d floors à la Build...

Unfortunately, no. I just take the Build level data, convert it to Doom format and run a nodebuild on it, so it acts like a Build->Doom converter. That means none of the cool Build tricks, such as sectors that physically overlap in X, Y (and Z) space, will work.

Post by **Xaser** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:21 pm

randy wrote:
Hirogen2 wrote:Hey, if this is Blood (within ZDoom), then we have 3d floors à la Build...
Unfortunately, no. I just take the Build level data, convert it to Doom format and run a nodebuild on it, so it acts like a Build->Doom converter. That means none of the cool Build tricks, such as sectors that physically overlap in X, Y (and Z) space, will work.

Yeah, but we don't really need that, since we now have the k2 bridge effect, right?

[FUTURE EDIT] I think I learned about 3D bridges about a day or so before posting this. Historical note: "k2 bridge" is an old term for using bridge things, named after Kurt Kesler since he more or less invented the idea. I think it's supposed to be k squared, but I was too lazy to open character map at the time.

Hirogen2 · Post by **Hirogen2** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:41 am

Right, K2 bridge is just as bad as Blood bridges

Head for real 3d... somehow. Needs a new renderer *ugh*

Death Mage · Post by **Death Mage** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:44 pm

Build engine supports true level-on-level building. However, early Build games would not let you view both levels at the same time. Open the map for DN3D level e1m1 and go up the spiral staircase ot the projection room. You'll go completely around the staircase, NOT teleporting to another area. It is true level-on-level, but as I said, you could not view both floors at the same time.

The only trick or workaround DN3D's build had for the level-on-level was under water. Diving under water DID teleport you to another area.

Later Build engine games, such as Shadow Warrior, did include the ability to build level-on-level and view both levels at the same time. I do not know if it had any limitations as to how MANY levels you could view at once, however. Also, in this one, IIRC the water area was able to be build w/o the need for teleporting. This allowed you to look down into the water and see things swiming around, as well as look up from the water and see things moving around (IE transparent water), something that DN3D lacked.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled topic.

Post by **Bio Hazard** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 10:23 pm

i suppose i cant use textures as flats with WadAuthor huh...

Post by **Chris** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:21 pm

Bio Hazard wrote:i suppose i cant use textures as flats with WadAuthor huh...

Actually, you should be able to. It'll complain alot(especially during level checks), but it ultimately won't stop you. Same as flats for textures.

kn · Post by kn » Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:35 am

Chris wrote:
Bio Hazard wrote:i suppose i cant use textures as flats with WadAuthor huh...
Actually, you should be able to. It'll complain alot(especially during level checks), but it ultimately won't stop you. Same as flats for textures.

Hmmm.... just tried to create a floor with ashwall2, only got a "chessboard" style blue/white floor. But I guess you can create a flat with wintex or similar programs.

Post by **Kate** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:32 am

It's not possible to use that feature with 47, so you'll have to wait until 48 comes out.

Hirogen2 · Post by **Hirogen2** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:57 pm

omg I can stick a texture on a floor, and vice versa?

Post by **Enjay** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:16 pm

Hirogen2 wrote:omg I can stick a texture on a floor, and vice versa?

Where have you been?

Yes this will be possible with the next version of Zdoom. There have been a few threads discussing it. Randy even posted a screenshot of a level that had part of the icon of sin on the floor, a cyberdemon on a 2S line and a flat (forget which one) on the 1S walls.

Hirogen2 · Post by **Hirogen2** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:53 am

Enjay wrote:
Hirogen2 wrote:omg I can stick a texture on a floor, and vice versa?
Where have you been?

Well I "reattached" to the ZDoom community since 2.0.38.

Yes this will be possible with the next version of Zdoom. There have been a few threads discussing it. Randy even posted a screenshot of a level that had part of the icon of sin on the floor, a cyberdemon on a 2S line and a flat (forget which one) on the 1S walls.

RIGHT, the problem IS, 1. either I cann not follow all threads, 2. the editing reference needs to be updated.