D4D - Announcement in 1st post (Jan 4th 2017)

[TheCrimsonFucker]

Some suggestions:
1. Take pinky demon and lost soul from Phobos867's Add-on.
2. Update Hell Knight and Baron of Hell sprites. Like i see D4D uses first version but Zanieon made 2 updates of his sprites.
3. Take first person death animation from MetaDoom.
4. Take some monsters from Project Brutality (something like zombieman with shield and pistol or zombies with rifle which can drop H.A.R.)
5. Replace ArchVile/Summoner to Flash Wizard from Project Brutality, IMO Flash Wizard fits more than default ArchVile.
6. Take Arachnotron and Spider Mastermind sprites from doom3weapons mod by doomero.
6. Replace backpack to field drone like in Phobos867's Add-on.
6. Take fully animated crosshairs from ZioN mod.
9. Add water, acid and dust effects from Brutal Doom.

[DoomKrakken]

No. No Project Brutality. None of those monsters resemble any of the ones from D4. As much as I like Brutal Doom, I don't think it has a place in this mod.

And that "Flash Wizard" is a Flesh Wizard. Though it'd make for an interesting Summoner sprite, it'd be nice if we had one that flew.

Yes, new Pinky please!!! Also new Lost Soul and Revenant sprites please!

And the animated crosshairs from ZION are beautiful. You guys gotta consider using those.

[Jeimuzu73]

Since Doom's 23rd anniversary is next Saturday, are you considering anything special to do with D4D for that date?

[-Ghost-]

No. No Project Brutality. None of those monsters resemble any of the ones from D4. As much as I like Brutal Doom, I don't think it has a place in this mod.

And that "Flash Wizard" is a Flesh Wizard. Though it'd make for an interesting Summoner sprite, it'd be nice if we had one that flew.

Yes, new Pinky please!!! Also new Lost Soul and Revenant sprites please!

And the animated crosshairs from ZION are beautiful. You guys gotta consider using those.

I think he's more saying that he'd like the Doom 3 styled zombies in, since the shield ones etc are from that.

[Major Cooke]

Responses in red.

Some suggestions:
1. Take pinky demon and lost soul from Phobos867's Add-on.
Up to DBT.
2. Update Hell Knight and Baron of Hell sprites. Like i see D4D uses first version but Zanieon made 2 updates of his sprites.
When Zanieon next updates them, I'll poke DBT about it.
3. Take first person death animation from MetaDoom.
No. It's completely unnecessary to the gameplay. It's about killing demons and not dying in the process.
4. Take some monsters from Project Brutality (something like zombieman with shield and pistol or zombies with rifle which can drop H.A.R.)
No.
5. Replace ArchVile/Summoner to Flash Wizard from Project Brutality, IMO Flash Wizard fits more than default ArchVile.
No.
6. Take Arachnotron and Spider Mastermind sprites from doom3weapons mod by doomero.
You mean things like Super Doom 3 Take 2? Maybe. After all DBT did remake that mod a long time ago.
7. Replace backpack to field drone like in Phobos867's Add-on.
Up to DBT, but I personally don't like having field drones -- also field drones are meant for upgrades. Buuuut there's no switching off this menu now.
8. Take fully animated crosshairs from ZioN mod.
I don't like borrowing things from other doom 4 mods, unless they are addons made specifically for D4D.
I see what you did there. Cheeky.
9. Add water, acid and dust effects from Brutal Doom.
We will never take anything from brutal doom. Ever. And before anyone tries to point out the model tracers, DBThanatos found where they REALLY came from.

[Rowsol]

I just realized if you use your melee hotkey while you have berserk you don't get double cash from the kill. Why is that? I mean, I assume it's to encourage use of the fist weapon, but what difference does it really make.

[TheCrimsonFucker]

Response in crimson red .

Responses in red.

Some suggestions:
1. Take pinky demon and lost soul from Phobos867's Add-on.
Up to DBT.
I'm not good in English. Explain, please.
2. Update Hell Knight and Baron of Hell sprites. Like i see D4D uses first version but Zanieon made 2 updates of his sprites.
When Zanieon next updates them, I'll poke DBT about it.
Zanieon plans make UPDATE 4?
3. Take first person death animation from MetaDoom.
No. It's completely unnecessary to the gameplay. It's about killing demons and not dying in the process.
Okay.
4. Take some monsters from Project Brutality (something like zombieman with shield and pistol or zombies with rifle which can drop H.A.R.)
No.
Then, maybe, you make your own zombieman with shield?
5. Replace ArchVile/Summoner to Flash Wizard from Project Brutality, IMO Flash Wizard fits more than default ArchVile.
No.
Do you have plans to make something with it? IMHO - Default ArchVile colored in red do not fit.
6. Take Arachnotron and Spider Mastermind sprites from doom3weapons mod by doomero.
You mean things like Super Doom 3 Take 2? Maybe. After all DBT did remake that mod a long time ago.
It would be great if you guys take those sprites.
7. Replace backpack to field drone like in Phobos867's Add-on.
Up to DBT, but I personally don't like having field drones -- also field drones are meant for upgrades. Buuuut there's no switching off this menu now.
Maybe drone will drop one random upgrade to one of weapon you have for now, for example when you have shotgun and H.A.R. it will be 50% for upgrade for H.A.R. and 50% for upgrade for shotgun. Buuut the longer I think about this idea, the more it seems to me that was bad idea
8. Take fully animated crosshairs from ZioN mod.
I don't like borrowing things from other doom 4 mods, unless they are addons made specifically for D4D.
I see what you did there. Cheeky.
But it would be great just talk to SAHZALPABAEL. I think he will not mind.
Hey!
9. Add water, acid and dust effects from Brutal Doom.
We will never take anything from brutal doom. Ever. And before anyone tries to point out the model tracers, DBThanatos found where they REALLY came from.
And again I don't understand why everyone hates author of BD and his mod. I know he is not a good guy buuuut... there is something more than just attitude to this man?

P.S. Why in the quote my nickname altered to "smeghead"?

[DoomKrakken]

You know... I have absolutely no idea. I at first thought people were just calling you that, but then whenever I clicked the Quote button, "smeghead" was the name that was there.

Are you certain you didn't have "smeghead" as your username in the past?

When Major Cooke said "Up to DBT," he meant "Up to DBThanatos"... as DBThanatos is the project leader.

And I don't think it has anything to do with "hating" Brutal Doom... I'm assuming they want to distance their project as far from Brutal Doom as possible so that it can get its own recognition (which it has... beautifully so, if I might add), rather than hitchhiking on the hyperactive Brutal Doom hype-train. Even Brutal Doom has (inevitably) hopped onto the DOOM bandwagon... so borrowing effects from Brutal Doom might bring in some unwelcome company. If it happened, then this topic would soon enough be flooded with a mob of Brutal Doom junkies that want more and more and more compatibility with Brutal Doom to the point that it basically becomes annexed by the Brutal Doom Community and becomes yet another of those sub-mods for Brutal Doom. More of the same cancer. Did I get that right?

Not to say that the end result of a Brutal D4D mashup wouldn't be super awesome, but it would still lose some semblance of originality... even if someone went the hard way and took the D4D monsters themselves and made said monsters Brutal Doom-friendly... (and that'd take way more work than anyone's willing to give right now, am I right?)

[Ssitiss]

chek this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZD_-fBM5TE (D4D DOOM - Trailer Parody)
and when will the next update?

[Major Cooke]

Beautiful work! I like it!

@Crimson:

• The drone thing we won't do because you buy your upgrades with credits.
• BD: What Krakken said. We're rather proud of just doing our own thing than taking stuff from others unless it was meant as a direct contribution to us, or if it's a free resource that's encouraged for use.

[wildweasel]

P.S. Why in the quote my nickname altered to "smeghead"?

That's the forum word filter at work. You can disable that from the User Control Panel.

[sidav]

Blyadskiy pidaras!

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You're Russian, huh?

I agree that D4D should have the gore nests.
Guys, what does SSG's Narrowed Cylinders upgrade mean? It just increases the absolute horizontal spread (thus decreasing the effective range of the weapon even more), or it means that the horizontal spread is the same, but vertical one is decreased?

[wildweasel]

Let's get back on topic before a split is required, and then everyone loses.

I already split it. That thread is now here: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=54493

[Hellser]

I was about to split it, hence why I deleted my previous post. Well then, that's settled with.

[Rowsol]

My post had nothing to do with BD, but okay.