[Request] Can someone make this into a gun?

[osjclatchford]

all of this! nice idea... glad to see I'm not the only one unbalanced enough to think and feel all of this nostalgia for d!zone!

[Nevander]

I also posted this in the spriting thread, but here's my attempt at making those weapons.

OMG! That is amazing. It's as if you were actually the one who made them in those screenshots in the first place! These are really great, thank you ravage. Looks like I have some more DECORATE'ing to do, and I may even make the map bigger and expand it to accommodate all three of these weapons.

all of this! nice idea... glad to see I'm not the only one unbalanced enough to think and feel all of this nostalgia for d!zone!

Yea I don't think this was ever done before, and seeing that box all the time (since I have it right here beside me) and not being able to ever have the cover art be a real thing was enough to make me want to make it into reality.

[osjclatchford]

Yea I don't think this was ever done before, and seeing that box all the time (since I have it right here beside me) and not being able to ever have the cover art be a real thing was enough to make me want to make it into reality.

you and me both buddy! I bought it back in the day for that reason thinking it was (what we'd call now a mod) an official gameplay modification add-on disk (like malice was for quake) when I first bought it I was real disappointed that it had no new weapons or monsters, just a bunch of maps. good maps but still... should have paid more attention to the text on the box eh? I might have even attempted to instigate this myself at some point but since my crash modding is out of the question these days... so I'm sure glad this is happening... If I can help I will

[Nevander]

Right now the main thing I need is to animate these sprites and get some flash states going. From that picture above, and from what I can tell from the screenshots, the thin rifle thing is a railgun of sorts, the curved short gun is a rocket launcher, and the last one reminds me of the Flamewall from ROTT. This is my first time doing anything with DECORATE and I'm learning a great deal but I still can't draw worth anything. That, and I don't know how to do a flamethrower in Doom yet.

[YukiHerz]

The middle one could also be a grenade launcher, since having two rocket launchers would be silly unless you're planning to replace the vanilla one.

[osjclatchford]

Right now the main thing I need is to animate these sprites and get some flash states going. From that picture above, and from what I can tell from the screenshots, the thin rifle thing is a railgun of sorts, the curved short gun is a rocket launcher, and the last one reminds me of the Flamewall from ROTT. This is my first time doing anything with DECORATE and I'm learning a great deal but I still can't draw worth anything. That, and I don't know how to do a flamethrower in Doom yet.

well I've had a bit of a doodle this evening.
hows this for a basic concept?:

Dzone_gun.png (14.66 KiB) Viewed 850 times

basic 'zoom-back' recoil and recoloured flash from heretic's blaster. this is the transparent version. (It does look better animated and bear in mind this is 5 mins work on cruddy software/hardware yes it could be better but this is intended as a space filler so that the decorate can be made, these sprites can always be ditched for better ones later)
here is a version without transparencies and also including a set without muzzleflash so we can edit a better one in later (truer to the source material that is):

dzone_gun_software.png (33.4 KiB) Viewed 850 times

any good to you?

[Nevander]

Yea that looks great, has a "classic" sort of look to it. Like you said though it could be improved for sure. I know it may seem simple to sprite artists but frankly I'm surprised I got this much effort for it already. I guess making the request into a full thread was better than asking one guy through PMs (still haven't seen what he made to this day).

The middle one could also be a grenade launcher, since having two rocket launchers would be silly unless you're planning to replace the vanilla one.

Good point, I think the middle one would indeed work best as a grenade launcher. The third one may be good as an automatic shotgun also if I didn't want to do flamethrower, but the top has what looks like a lid for the gas... still undecided. So the final arsenal for my WAD would be the standard Doom weaponry plus a Railgun, Grenade Launcher, and Flamethrower or Auto Shotgun. Just what Doom needs.

EDIT: New screenshots from the real deal... IT'S HAPPENING! After 21 years we are getting it! First John Romero makes a new map and now this? Doom for life!



Link to album: http://imgur.com/a/QzMM2

[agaures]

I know it may seem simple to sprite artists but frankly I'm surprised I got this much effort for it already.

Not simple to me as I'm not a sprite artist.
Ravage made some good sprites there but they aren't to the doom palette keep in mind.

[osjclatchford]

Not sure simple is the word I'd use either. Easier maybe... oh. And I see you're using gzdoom. if you use the flash with the transparency you'll find it looks closer to the source material... not a huge amount but a bit. That should look OK in software render too. In fact it should just look like the unalpha version in software render...

[jdredalert]

Ravage made some good sprites there but they aren't to the doom palette keep in mind.

But what's the problem about not being Doom pallete since we can use png true color? Am i missing something?

[Nevander]

Not sure simple is the word I'd use either. Easier maybe... oh. And I see you're using gzdoom. if you use the flash with the transparency you'll find it looks closer to the source material... not a huge amount but a bit. That should look OK in software render too. In fact it should just look like the unalpha version in software render...

I actually used both of them as a 'progressing' flash.

Ravage made some good sprites there but they aren't to the doom palette keep in mind.

But what's the problem about not being Doom pallete since we can use png true color? Am i missing something?

Only downside is that they will be grey in ZDoom or any other software renderer that sticks to the Doom palette. Even PNGs don't show up in the right color in software rendering.

[Sgt. Shivers]

ZDoom can display hudsprites in truecolour, so only the pickup sprites would have to be edited.

[YukiHerz]

I wonder if we will see the one from H!Zone in the future.

[wildweasel]

ZDoom can display hudsprites in truecolour, so only the pickup sprites would have to be edited.

This may not be strictly true; the truecolor HUD sprites are provided as a function of hardware support for the HUD as an overlay to the software renderer. IIRC, this is only possible through Windows because of DirectDraw, so on other operating systems (or old enough hardware that needs to disable vid_hw2d), it will still be constrained to the 256-color Doom palette.

Plus there's other ports to keep in mind, after all. What if someone wanted this D!Zone gun for a doom2.exe project? =P

[Nevander]

Well I'm done with two of three of the guns. Now all that's left is to make the middle gun animated and working in-game. I'm thinking of making it an orb like projectile with splash damage. Could someone re-sprite the BFG projectile set but make it yellow-orange? I'm going with three color theme for the three guns. The railgun fires blue, the right side gun fires a red muzzleflash, and the middle one should be yellow-orange. Like the three Doom keys.