HeXetic: Rise of D'Sparil

[BouncyTEM]

what format's the song? o_o

[Orangewaggs]

is this just for Heretic? or for something else

[Pelle123]

is this just for Heretic? or for something else

It's for Heretic.



@Bouncy: They are .mp3 files

[Orangewaggs]

It's for Heretic.

darn....
i dont have that and i dont know where i can get it......

[Gez]

Five bucks on Steam.

All you need is the iwad so you can even uninstall Steam afterwards, as long as you've kept a copy of the iwad.

[Project Shadowcat]

@Bouncy: They are .mp3 files

That may be a good reason, as a single 128 kbit/sec MP3 can be about 4mb on its own, and that's assuming its four minutes long. I know someone's going to suggest Ogg Vorbis files, as they can play at almost the same quality -- at half the bitrate (and therefore half the size), while another idea is to just reduce the bitrate and quality of the music. If done right, you can still get passable to acceptable quality with a 32kbs bitrate.

[Orangewaggs]

yeah.... Gez I cant download it there they said it wasnt in my territorry or something like that but thanks for trying....

[Gez]

You claim to be "Somewhere in Iowa" in your profile, and while I'm not the world's best geography expert, I'm pretty sure that Iowa is in the USA. So, that'd odd to learn that apparently, the USA (where Valve and its Steam service are based) are outside of the territory covered by Steam...

[Orangewaggs]

that's ok though im not worried i got heretic anyways

[Pinky's ass]

YAY, a Heretic wad.

[Pelle123]

Okay I've got some problems now... I'm trying to convert weapons from Hexen to Heretic and with my decorate skill it isn't so simple

For now I have converted the Serpent Staff and Firestorm (spell) and the Serpent Staff works about 90% now. (Firestorm maybe 10% )

Problems;



1) The Serpent Staff:

In Hexen, the Serpent Staff will "?suck life?" (melee attack) when fired next to enemy... I don't have a clue how to make this because in Wiki there is some things called "natives" so it's a problem for me. The current code for the
Serpent Staff is (much different than at wiki because I had to remake it because of the natives ):

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Actor SerpentStaff : Weapon 10086

{
  SpawnID 170
  Weapon.SelectionOrder 2500
  Weapon.AmmoUse 1
  Weapon.AmmoGive 2
  Weapon.AmmoType "goldwandammo"
  Inventory.PickupMessage "$GOTSERPENTSTAFF" // "You got the Serpent Staff!"
  AttackSound "ClericCStaffFire"
  
  States
  {
  Spawn:
    WCSS A -1
    Stop
  Select:
    CSSF C 1 A_Raise
    Loop
  Deselect:
    CSSF B 3
    CSSF C 4
    CSSF C 1 A_Lower
    Wait
  Ready:
    CSSF C 4
    CSSF B 3
    CSSF AAAAAAA 1 A_WeaponReady
    CSSF A 1 
    Goto Ready + 2

  Fire:
    CSSF A 1 Offset (0, 90) A_FireCustomMissile("SerpentStaffMissile",3,0,-5)
    CSSF J 1 Offset (0, 50) A_FireCustomMissile("SerpentStaffMissile2",-3,0,5)
    CSSF J 2 Offset (0, 50) A_takeinventory("goldwandammo", 2)
    CSSF J 2 Offset (0, 45)
    CSSF A 2 Offset (0, 40)
    CSSF A 2 Offset (0, 36)
    Goto Ready + 2    
  Blink:
    CSSF BBBCCCCCBBB 1 A_WeaponReady
    Goto Ready + 2
  Drain:
    CSSF K 10 Offset (0, 36)
    Goto Ready + 2
  }
}


ACTOR SerpentStaffMissile
{
  Speed 16
  Radius 12
  Height 10
  Damage 5
  RenderStyle Add
  Projectile
  Alpha 1.0
  DeathSound "ClericCStaffExplode"
  SeeSound "ClericCStaffFire"
  States
  {
  Spawn:
    CSSF DDEE 1 Bright A_CStaffMissileSlither
    Loop
  Death:
    CSSF FG 4 Bright
    CSSF HI 3 Bright
    Stop
  }
}

ACTOR SerpentStaffMissile2
{
  Speed 16
  Radius 12
  Height 10
  Damage 5
  RenderStyle Add
  Projectile
  Alpha 1.0
  DeathSound "ClericCStaffExplode"
  States
  {
  Spawn:
    CSSF DDEE 1 Bright A_CStaffMissileSlither
    Loop
  Death:
    CSSF FG 4 Bright
    CSSF HI 3 Bright
    Stop
  }
}

2) Firestorm:

Okay this is about 5 times more tricky than the Serpent Staff... It should fire a missile with a flame trail. After hitting an enemy it should release a circle of small flames that move out of the missile on ground and then explode making some damage.

(Bad) Video example:

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[youtube]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/siS5txBdDdY&hl ... ram><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/siS5txBdDdY&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]

So the things I need to get working correctly are the flame trail and the circle of flames thing. My code for the Firestorm for now is:

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ACTOR Firestorm : Weapon 10087
{
  +NOGRAVITY
  alpha 1.0
  Weapon.SelectionOrder 1000
  Weapon.AmmoUse 4
  Weapon.AmmoGive 25
  Weapon.KickBack 150
  Weapon.YAdjust 10
  Weapon.AmmoType1 "PhoenixRodAmmo"
  Inventory.PickupMessage "$TXT_WEAPON_C3" // "FIRESTORM"
  
  States
  {
  Spawn:
    WCFM ABCDEFGH 4 Bright
    Loop
  Select:
    CFLM A 1 A_Raise
    Loop
  Deselect:
    CFLM A 1 A_Lower
    Loop
  Ready:
    CFLM AAAABBBBCCCC 1 A_WeaponReady
    Loop
  Fire:
    CFLM A 2 Offset (0, 40)
    CFLM D 2 Offset (0, 50)
    CFLM D 2 Offset (0, 36)
    CFLM E 4 Bright
    CFLM F 4 Bright A_FireCustomMissile("FirestormMissile",0,0,0)
    CFLM G 2 Offset (0, 40)
    CFLM G 2
    Goto Ready
  }
}

ACTOR FirestormMissile
{
  projectile
  Speed 200
  Radius 8
  Height 8
  Damage 8
  DamageType "Fire"
  alpha 1.0
  RenderStyle Add
  
  States
  {
  Spawn:
    CFFX A 4 Bright
    CFFX A 1 A_CustomMissile("Firestormtrail",0,0)
    Goto Death + 1
  Death:
    CFFX A 1 Bright A_CustomMissile("FlameCircle",0,0)
    CFFX ABC 3 Bright
    CFFX D 4 Bright
    CFFX E 3 Bright
    CFFX F 4 Bright
    CFFX G 3 Bright
    CFFX H 4 Bright
    CFFX I 3 Bright
    CFFX J 4 Bright
    CFFX K 3 Bright
    CFFX L 4 Bright
    CFFX M 3 Bright
    Stop
  }
}

ACTOR FirestormTrail
{
	Radius 2
	Height 2
	Mass 0
	Speed 3
	Renderstyle Translucent
	Alpha 1.0
	Damage 0
	Projectile
	+NONSHOOTABLE
	+ NOGRAVITY
	States
  {
  Spawn:
    CFFX NOP 3 Bright
    goto death
  Death:
    CFFX NOP 3 Bright  
    stop
  }
}


ACTOR FlameCircle
{
  alpha 1.0
  Radius 6
  Damage 2
  DamageType "Fire"
  Projectile
  -ACTIVATEIMPACT
  -ACTIVATEPCROSS
  RenderStyle Add
  DeathSound "ClericFlameCircle"
  gravity 100


  States
  {
  Spawn:
    CFCF A 4 Bright
    CFCF B 2 Bright
    CFCF C 2 Bright
    CFCF D 1 Bright
    CFCF E 2 Bright
    CFCF F 2 Bright
    CFCF G 1 Bright
    CFCF HI 2 Bright
    CFCF J 1 Bright
    CFCF K 2 Bright
    CFCF LM 3 Bright
    CFCF N 2 Bright
    CFCF O 3 Bright
    CFCF P 2 Bright
    Stop
  Death:
    CFCF QR 3 Bright
    CFCF S 3 Bright A_Explode(20, 20, 0)
    CFCF TUVWXYZ 3 Bright
    Stop
  }
}

The Wiki code for the firestorm:

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Firestorm: ACTOR CWeapMace : ClericWeapon 8009
{
  +NOGRAVITY
  Weapon.SelectionOrder 1000
  Weapon.AmmoUse 4
  Weapon.AmmoGive 25
  Weapon.KickBack 150
  Weapon.YAdjust 10
  Weapon.AmmoType1 "Mana2"
  Inventory.PickupMessage "$TXT_WEAPON_C3" // "FIRESTORM"

  action native A_CFlameAttack();

  States
  {
  Spawn:
    WCFM ABCDEFGH 4 Bright
    Loop
  Select:
    CFLM A 1 A_Raise
    Loop
  Deselect:
    CFLM A 1 A_Lower
    Loop
  Ready:
    CFLM AAAABBBBCCCC 1 A_WeaponReady
    Loop
  Fire:
    CFLM A 2 Offset (0, 40)
    CFLM D 2 Offset (0, 50)
    CFLM D 2 Offset (0, 36)
    CFLM E 4 Bright
    CFLM F 4 Bright A_CFlameAttack
    CFLM E 4 Bright
    CFLM G 2 Offset (0, 40)
    CFLM G 2
    Goto Ready
  }
}

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ACTOR CFlameFloor
{
  +NOBLOCKMAP
  +NOGRAVITY
  RenderStyle Add
  States
  {
  Spawn:
    CFFX N 5 Bright
    CFFX O 4 Bright
    CFFX P 3 Bright
    Stop
  }
}

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ACTOR CircleFlame
{
  Radius 6
  Damage 2
  DamageType "Fire"
  Projectile
  -ACTIVATEIMPACT
  -ACTIVATEPCROSS
  RenderStyle Add
  DeathSound "ClericFlameCircle"

  action native A_CFlameRotate();

  States
  {
  Spawn:
    CFCF A 4 Bright
    CFCF B 2 Bright A_CFlameRotate
    CFCF C 2 Bright
    CFCF D 1 Bright
    CFCF E 2 Bright
    CFCF F 2 Bright A_CFlameRotate
    CFCF G 1 Bright
    CFCF HI 2 Bright
    CFCF J 1 Bright A_CFlameRotate
    CFCF K 2 Bright
    CFCF LM 3 Bright
    CFCF N 2 Bright A_CFlameRotate
    CFCF O 3 Bright
    CFCF P 2 Bright
    Stop
  Death:
    CFCF QR 3 Bright
    CFCF S 3 Bright A_Explode(20, 20, 0)
    CFCF TUVWXYZ 3 Bright
    Stop
  }
}

And that's it. I would be very happy if someone could help because this is slowing down my progress and the first demo release...

[Gez]

How many time will I need to say it? Everything is a native function. Every single codepointer you ever used in DECORATE is a native function. Without any exception.

The native keyword is simply used in the first class that uses it, and only this class and classes inheriting from it can use it.

Which is why the [wiki=Classes:Actor]Actor[/wiki] class has so long a list of native functions.




Next, second point: why do you even bother "convert" the Hexen weapons? They're already there, right in ZDoom.pk3. Just do something like this:

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Actor SerpentStaff : RandomSpawner 10086 { DropItem "CWeapStaff" }

And there you go! You can put serpent staves everywhere you want in a Heretic map. Or a Doom map, for that matter. Even Strife or Chex.

Now, you want to modify it to use goldwandammo? Simple!

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Actor SerpentStaff : CWeapStaff 10086 { Weapon.AmmoType "goldwandammo" } 

It works, and that's all you need to do.

Why won't people ever learn about inheritance? Why do they bother rewriting entire classes that are already there, and only manage to fumble them up in the process?

And you absolutely don't need to redefine the projectiles, unless you want them to behave differently.


When porting stuff from one ZDoom game to another, here's the question you have to ask yourself: Do you want to use the item exactly as it is in the other game, or to modify it a bit as well?
- If "exactly", then all you need is to give it a DoomEdNumber, and possibly a SpawnID. For that, simply create a [wiki=Classes:RandomSpawner]RandomSpawner[/wiki], give it the DoomEdNum and SpawnID, and make it drop the item you wall all the time.
- If "modified a bit", then instead of using a RandomSpawner, inherit from the object and in its code only put whatever is modified -- do not copy the entire thing.

[Dulle]

Orangewaggs : You still haven't got the Heretic,right?

[neoworm]

Next, second point: why do you even bother "convert" the Hexen weapons?

To get rid of hardcoded stuff - for example HereticWeapon Weapon and Mage/Fighter/ClericWeapon have different base offset. Try it somewhere use the same srites but inherit once from HereticWeapon and once from Weapon.
Second thing is class related stuff binded to HeXen weapons. It doesnt matter when you use only one class, but it becomes very tricky when using more.


To the problem - Working serpent staff (completely recoded) is used in AEOD. Steal it. And for Firestorm - make it just shot the original HeXen projectile, simpliest way.

[Gez]

To get rid of hardcoded stuff - for example HereticWeapon Weapon and Mage/Fighter/ClericWeapon have different base offset. Try it somewhere use the same srites but inherit once from HereticWeapon and once from Weapon.

And why would you want to use inappropriate offsets?

Second thing is class related stuff binded to HeXen weapons. It doesnt matter when you use only one class, but it becomes very tricky when using more.

This is irrelevant when going in the Hexen->other game direction. It's only tricky if you want to add weapons to Hexen classes.