[Beta][Cool] \m/ ~={ DEMONSTEELE }=~ \m/ - 0.9 desu~

[Kaeoschassis]

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Well, didn't you just make that look easy ;p

Yeah, there's no way I can skip it now after you went and did that. Clearly I am not half the doomer I thought I was, but rest assured, I will let you know when I beat it!
The main thing I actually took away from that was how effectively you used the central area as cover - something I always instinctively tried to do, but I kept getting swarmed. Taking out that group of revvies right near the start probably helped...
ANYWAY, this is not a Going Down thread so I'll leave it at that. Good show, scary average russian kid, good show.

[Alteisen]

While we're at Iron Maiden form, Would it be possible for Hae-Lin to have like a Super-Punch? Or a Super-Kick in Iron Maiden form? Same Soul Meter cost and charge-up as the Not-Kamehameha and same damage. An explosive melee strike that can take out a Cyberdemon in one stroke.

[HexaDoken]

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Same as above, but with beta 0.75. Omen was added to the "pistol start" equipment list, and Iron Maiden ban has been lifted. In exchange, Classic Health System was used. Still no-secrets.

This was significantly less harder than I thought it will be. I seem to be taking a lot less damage than I feel I should. Intentional reduction, or incredible luck on my part?

Still, the difference in playstyles between the first video and this one shows. Due to not having mercy invincibility, I am no longer able to charge blindly into the crowd, meaning that I have to be much more cautious and surrounding-aware. I still came more or less the same in terms of healthpool, but there were a lot more close moments.

Now that I think of it, I definitely would be able to do it with Iron Maiden ban still on. Due to classic health, Iron Maiden is much less powerful - you still have incredible offensive firepower, but you have to be much more careful and aware of your armor meter to use it, meaning that spending mana for special attacks and not-kamehameha is definitely more viable. Couple this with the fact that I had little possibilities to actually get it before nearing the level end, and in total I've managed to kill, what, ten enemies with it? Yeah, ended up just being a huge mana waste.

Omen was much more useful, with the initial over-whack ramping the kill count by about 40, and additional 10 being added to it during normal gameplay. It still wound up being much less useful than I thought it would be, both due to the fact that without mercy invincibility getting close and personal costed me much more, and because there were less opportunities to charge it up in a such dense-packed map like this. Still could probably do without it. Maybe.

Overall, I believe that classic health system definitely gives an all around improvement for balance on non-slaughterfest megawads. Also thank you Term for the shotgun buff - was much, much needed.

ANYWAY, this is not a Going Down thread so I'll leave it at that.

WELL THIS IS ABOUT GOING DOWN + DEMONSTEELE
IT'S VAGUELY RELATED
NOT OFF-TOP

The main thing I actually took away from that was how effectively you used the central area as cover - something I always instinctively tried to do, but I kept getting swarmed. Taking out that group of revvies right near the start probably helped...

What I absolutely love about video games is how complex they can actually be while seeming to be simple "shoot everything to death". What I also love is that when I post a video of me doing something difficult, people watching it suddenly show a much better understanding of what I'm doing than I myself understand it. For example: using central area as cover? Yes, after watching my own vid, I definitely see that it is an integral part of my survival, but when I was playing what I thought I was doing was just running around in circles haphazardly. "Taking out the group of revvies that are most dangerous to the cover position?" At that moment I was simply firing at what annoyed me most. Heh.

EDIT: already got a few challenge requests, so expect more videos of this from me. Not anytime soon most likely due to me being busy and sort of waiting for official 0.75 release, but someday, definitely.

[Wivicer]

After further experimentation, (and I don't know if this is just happening to me) the testament doesn't spawn on the first level I play in a wad. For instance, I'm at the menu screen, go to the console, and type "map e1m2". I go to the shotgun spawn in the center of the room, and the shotgun doesn't spawn. If from there I type "changemap e1m2" and then go to the shotgun spawn, the testament appears. Any idea why this might be happening?

[twinkieman93]

That's by design. Since the Testament is more equivalent to the SSG than the regular shotty, giving it out on the first map would be overkill, so it can only appear on the second map onwards.

[Wivicer]

That's by design. Since the Testament is more equivalent to the SSG than the regular shotty, giving it out on the first map would be overkill, so it can only appear on the second map onwards.

Alright, that makes sense. Just wanted to make sure.

[TheLightBad96]

Will the Classic health system be like a addon for the mod or will it be part of the mod, and if it is part of the mod will you be able to toggle between health systems?

[HexaDoken]

If you watch the video with running speed demonstration closely, you can see that classic health system is an option in demonsteele options.

So yes, part of mod, toggleable.

[Wivicer]

I just had a really stupid idea.

Add another player class: the sentinel. Yes, the little flying turret.

[Captain J]

i bet that would be hilarious if it's on the multiplayer mod.

[Slax]

Small hitbox, flying entity, rapid fire, fast.
NO. This thing must never be seen in multiplayer.

[Wivicer]

Small hitbox, flying entity, rapid fire, fast.
NO. This thing must never be seen in multiplayer.

Although I don't play multiplayer, I have to agree. That would just be too impossible. Although the player sentinel could be larger than the sidekick.

[TerminusEst13]

Bloody hell this topic exploded.

Confirmed line for the dating sim.

WOW
LEWD

Hey term quick question: On any map in the first map slot of a wad or episode where there is a shotgun spawn (like E1M1 or MAP01, the tempest doesn't spawn. Is that intentional?

After further experimentation, (and I don't know if this is just happening to me) the testament doesn't spawn on the first level I play in a wad. For instance, I'm at the menu screen, go to the console, and type "map e1m2". I go to the shotgun spawn in the center of the room, and the shotgun doesn't spawn. If from there I type "changemap e1m2" and then go to the shotgun spawn, the testament appears. Any idea why this might be happening?

That's by design. Since the Testament is more equivalent to the SSG than the regular shotty, giving it out on the first map would be overkill, so it can only appear on the second map onwards.

This is mostly correct--the Testament is unbelievably powerful, so having it right away is pretty much a "hell no" proposition. However, being that this is a melee-focused mod, I also wanted people to be deprived of new weapons for the first map to ensure that they can get used to the way the Kharon handles.
So both of those reasons combined meant intentionally stuttering out the shotgun spawn.

While we're at Iron Maiden form, Would it be possible for Hae-Lin to have like a Super-Punch? Or a Super-Kick in Iron Maiden form? Same Soul Meter cost and charge-up as the Not-Kamehameha and same damage. An explosive melee strike that can take out a Cyberdemon in one stroke.

Sometime down the line, sure, that might be good. At the moment, though, the not-kamehameha is purely a desperation move--insane damage, can clear out an entire room, but an unbelievably prohibitive and inefficient cost. To justify having that cost for a punch, it would need to be the mother of all punches. Like, clears-out-the-entire-room punch.

Will the Classic health system be like a addon for the mod or will it be part of the mod, and if it is part of the mod will you be able to toggle between health systems?

If you watch the video with running speed demonstration closely, you can see that classic health system is an option in demonsteele options.
So yes, part of mod, toggleable.

Yes, it is part of the mod, and yes, it is toggleable. You'll need to restart the game after toggling it, though, toggling it mid-game is a recipe for disaster.

I just had a really stupid idea.
Add another player class: the sentinel. Yes, the little flying turret.

SENPAI NOTICED ME

[TerminusEst13]

Oh, yeah, also. The github has reached 666 commits!

OMG SATAN JOKE

[Ethril]

idk why people are saying guns are useless just because you dont get souls from them and/or they dont power up from combo meter
even if they're not helped by it, some of them (the shotgun in particular) are fantastic for building your combo meter from a safe distance, and then once you hit C rank or so you're basically a walking blender and you can move in.
also they're good for stunlocking enemies and taking out blackened souls
this is just the bullet guns btw (pistol, shotgun, smg); the grenade launcher is more useful as a utility (reclaiming your personal space, grenade-jumping, juggling enemies, etc.) than an actual artillery piece (although it's good for that too), and the "arrogant" weapons are also special cases.

While we're at Iron Maiden form, Would it be possible for Hae-Lin to have like a Super-Punch? Or a Super-Kick in Iron Maiden form? Same Soul Meter cost and charge-up as the Not-Kamehameha and same damage. An explosive melee strike that can take out a Cyberdemon in one stroke.

im pretty sure that you can just punch a lone cyberdemon to death with less meter than that anyway
(in the meantime, there's always the MAXIMUM OVERCHARGE Omen electric face-nuke, although you can't use that with the suit on...)