[Release] SD3TII (no updates 01/03/12)

[Cyanosis]

Wow, very nice work DBThanatos, everything's much neater looking now. Also +1 for using Silent Hill music in the videos.

[DOOMERO-21]

If only the gun flashes were flexible enough to be used for this purpose (permanent overlays such as numbers).

hmmm interesting, numbers overlays the sprites, but the problem of that is only called with a_gunflash.

[DBThanatos]

ok looks great but i have some disagree points:

1. the red color is when you have "0" ammo, yellow is for "20%/25% of ammo" and white for full.

2. later of sent you the hud, i was working increasing the scale of the ammo1 and health, but you also removed the script for the yellow and red warning around the ammo hud:

Yes, but I decided to not do it that way. I dont like it, and I find it better to me as is now. As I said before, this isnt a 1:1 replica of doom3, but more like what I think is somehow fair and fun. That includes changing whatever and anything I have to.

Wow, very nice work DBThanatos, everything's much neater looking now. Also +1 for using Silent Hill music in the videos.

Thanks, and yes, I have made my own playlist for music when Im testing/playing this thing, because, somehow it adds to the ambientation.

Thanks guys for the positive comments. Im trying to get this done ASAP, but is just that I keep finding stuff I have to fix.

[Per-Scan]

I have a little more feedback to give. I'll PM you later with the details.

[DOOMERO-21]

ok looks great but i have some disagree points:

1. the red color is when you have "0" ammo, yellow is for "20%/25% of ammo" and white for full.

2. later of sent you the hud, i was working increasing the scale of the ammo1 and health, but you also removed the script for the yellow and red warning around the ammo hud:

Yes, but I decided to not do it that way. I dont like it, and I find it better to me as is now. As I said before, this isnt a 1:1 replica of doom3, but more like what I think is somehow fair and fun. That includes changing whatever and anything I have to.

ok, is your patch, but was a opinion, i will make my own patch later for that with more monsters.

[DBThanatos]

Little bump with updates. While almost everything is as good as I can do, I just found out a relatively major problem.

Under the weirdest circumstances, which I unfortunately cant replicate, a weird bug happens where gzdoom starts using the old definitions (the ones from the original mod) instead of the new ones (take II's), causing weird issues like weapons that wont reload, unlimited ammo, wrong display of the HUD elements, etc.

The reason for this, is the ugly way I used to replace the old definitions. I acknowledge the fact that was an ugly, hackish way to do it, but at the beginning I didnt have much option.

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At the beginning, TakeII was to simply replace a couple things to add visual effects; I didnt want to mess with anything like the weapons, because of the gigantic code they involve and because how everything is connected everywhere (mostly due to the extreme use of ACS all around even for things that didnt need that), and you change something here, you must change many things around. So, whatever I could cleanly replace, I did.

However, there were other things that desperately needed to be fixed, and the only way to do it without destroying the ACS connections in the process, was to create a 2nd actor named exactly the same. Which works fine for all purposes, because the engine in theory uses the last definition found. So, I did that with the grenade and bfg (the holding sequence wasnt very responsive at all). It worked. Then, I went another step ahead and modified little things in all weapons (i.e. the bobbing animation detection system) with the same method. Again, it seems to work fine. Still, wasnt into touching the original ACS. But, then, I found yet more things that really needed to be changed, that being on the acs, so, that's where I touched them.

Now, i mention all this because all the development process was done in the method I just metioned. Now that I found this horrendous bug, I realize that Im going to have to do something pretty extreme. Im going to rename everything in order to avoid the engine mixing stuff up (I make it sound like it's the engine's fault, but really, the implementation I used is honestly bad); so, this means, change all the decorate for the weapons, for the pickup items, for the acs, and god knows what else. This is exactly what I wanted to avoid since the beginning, but at this point, I've dug so deep into the original mod, that I just need to dig a bit more to completely expose everything in the mod, and from there, as hard as it'll be and long as it'll take, I can cleanly add everything without relying on the hackish method I used.

Bottom line: Im going to take a big "risky" step here, hoping I can replace everything in the proper way, deprecating ALL the old definitions, thus, getting rid of this unpredictable bug.

Im going to keep backup of the actual state as is, in case I find out I cant actually do what I want. Hopefully this wont take me too long, but oh well...

[Per-Scan]

Geez man, that sounds like a lot of work. If I can help in any way (ie/ testing builds for you etc) let me know and I'll happily do it. You know I think highly of this mod.

[DOOMERO-21]

that are the risk, take your time, i dont have intention to continue (for this year), i finnished the mod and now starting other, good luck.

[SoulCrow]

Sucks that you were so close to releasing it before finding this bug. Hope it doesn't get too ugly in there. Looking forward to this getting released nonetheless.

[TwelveEyes]

Bottom line: Im going to take a big "risky" step here, hoping I can replace everything in the proper way, deprecating ALL the old definitions, thus, getting rid of this unpredictable bug.

Does this mean you're going to make SD3TII standalone instead of requiring the original mod to work?

[DBThanatos]

Im working on this thing, and apparently everything is going OK, but I still havent touched the ACS, and that's where hell will break loose.

Anyway, no, SD3TII will still need the original mod, since it contains all graphics and sounds. But pretty much all the code for SP will be re-done, to avoid dependences on the original code.

Perhaps at some point, a re-release of the main pack will be done by me, that being, optimizing it to use as little allocation space as possible. As is, Super Doom 3 is a bunch of wads in the zip, and graf said something about this...

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Well, I'm not surprised that you got problems.

AEOD allocates 500 MB of memory because it just packages tons of huge WADs in a PK3. All these WADs have to be loaded into memory so that they can be used. That means you just wasted 1/4 of your entire application address space!

Now, if you have some background processes running that behave badly and also allocate large amounts of address space (not memory!) you'll quickly reach the point where it no longer works.

Solution: Reorganiza AEOD so that it properly uses the Zip directory structure. Then you'll have magically freed up 450 MB of heap.

I did learn from this, so...

And overall, trying to navigate through the original files, is kind of a nightmare, because everything seems to be spread all around. I'd rather have it organized. Still, this is something that might or not be done.

But for now, I just want to get rid of all this duplicate actors.


EDIT:
So, apparently, is good that I exposed almost everything of the original mod in TakeII, because the new replacements is almost done. I just went through all the original files searching for more instances that need to be changed, but apparently, Im almost done! Good thing the saturday's lazyness of "I dont wanna leave home today" is (hell, Im quite usure if that last sentence made sense).

[DBThanatos]

Well, Im not prone to bumping while double posting, but I got some good news!

After spending pretty much the whole day in front of the computer (real life is overrated ), I was able to do this step successfully! So much, that I cant even tell the difference

Anyway, so, Im back on track, fixing whatever I can, and now, hopefully, much closer to the release.

Note to testers: Expect a new build shortly.

Also, I took the liberty of getting rid of almost all console warnings from the original mod (only 3 warnings remaining). So, finally, it looks a little less awful when is loading up.

If I'd have to guess, I'd say that this is 95% done. So, after several rounds of testing, we should be done, once and for all

[NZ_Reaper]

Cool mod but wouldn't it be easier to just buy Doom 3 because it looks pretty wack when you copy graphics like that. Amazing amount of work involved in this, thumbs up.

[DOOMERO-21]

Well, Im not prone to bumping while double posting, but I got some good news!

After spending pretty much the whole day in front of the computer (real life is overrated ), I was able to do this step successfully! So much, that I cant even tell the difference

Anyway, so, Im back on track, fixing whatever I can, and now, hopefully, much closer to the release.

Note to testers: Expect a new build shortly.

Also, I took the liberty of getting rid of almost all console warnings from the original mod (only 3 warnings remaining). So, finally, it looks a little less awful when is loading up.

If I'd have to guess, I'd say that this is 95% done. So, after several rounds of testing, we should be done, once and for all

nice;

i remember the shotgun have a bug but is insignificant, i dont know if you founded, the bug is when you have 7 shotgunholder and 0 doom3shells, reload and later you will have 8 shells for attack.

[DBThanatos]

Cool mod but wouldn't it be easier to just buy Doom 3 because it looks pretty wack when you copy graphics like that. Amazing amount of work involved in this, thumbs up.

Well, it's a matter of opinion. Plus, somehow doom3 doesnt feel right, and this is much easier to mod than doom3, or at least, I know already how to do it here. So, yeah, that's all I need.

i remember the shotgun have a bug but is insignificant, i dont know if you founded, the bug is when you have 7 shotgunholder and 0 doom3shells, reload and later you will have 8 shells for attack.

Oh well. Gotta check that. Remaking the reloading sequence should be no problem. Thanks for reporting it