DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v0.10a - Oh, yes)

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sidav
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.5a - Armor rework)

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New release is here. Added progression to the game menu (as a game class selection). Armors are now reworked, we now have a new armor type and 12 new affixes. I hope the new affixes are not too gimmick-y.
I tried to make all armors viable.
Spoiler: Armor rework and the new armor type
Have fun!
I'm getting a feedback about the HUD being very bad, so I think it should have higher priority than any new content for the time being. But my problem is that I just can't stop adding new content. :?
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.5a - Armor rework)

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How about Heretic/Hexen support? Those games feel like a perfect target for randomized loot and/or progression mechanics. Especially with HXDD out there now.
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.5a - Armor rework)

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DarkkOne wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:31 pm How about Heretic/Hexen support? Those games feel like a perfect target for randomized loot and/or progression mechanics. Especially with HXDD out there now.
Actually I wanted to make this mod for Heretic initially. It's my first mod, so I sticked with Doom just because it seemed better documented to me :D
Thanks for letting me know about HXDD, it seems very interesting.
Btw, I honestly think Hexen is better played with mods that make it more adventure-like (mods like XRpg) than with Diablo-like randomized items.
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.5a - Armor rework)

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sidav wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:00 pm
DarkkOne wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:31 pm How about Heretic/Hexen support? Those games feel like a perfect target for randomized loot and/or progression mechanics. Especially with HXDD out there now.
Actually I wanted to make this mod for Heretic initially. It's my first mod, so I sticked with Doom just because it seemed better documented to me :D
Thanks for letting me know about HXDD, it seems very interesting.
Btw, I honestly think Hexen is better played with mods that make it more adventure-like (mods like XRpg) than with Diablo-like randomized items.
I honestly think XRpg is great for Hexen, but I also just really like experiencing new things and think this would be a good deal of fun there too.
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.5a - Armor rework)

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Hello! After playing a bit more, I can still confirm even on 0.5a that chance to poison still causes a freeze - I'm playing on Delta Touch so unfortunately I don't have any logs to recover when this happens, other than that it seems to happen on the very same frame I fire the weapon and the poison procs on an enemy. Otherwise, non-procs let the weapon continue to function as normal. On this 2nd time, it happened on a shotgun with chance to poison.

Another note, I encountered this little gem late into a megawad I'm playing: :D
https://imgur.com/a/AJ38J51

I feel that maybe sometimes the "cursed" affix version for magazine capacity can get really extreme at times to the point it's difficult to use a weapon that has rolled an extreme version of it - case in point above, a chaingun with only 4 bullets to spare. Despite the insanely fast reload speed, it does far worse overall damage than even normal chaingun. I feel this to be the case for when this negative affix rolls on plasma rifles as well. I rolled a plasma rifle in an earlier playthrough with great stats but the only 13-cell capacity ended up rather making it worse than just a common one.

On that note, I gotta praise the new affixes and items available in 0.5a - I'm already seeing items to synergize (energy armors and energy-regen backpacks) and I'd sure as heck like to see more of those. There's a bunch of affixes floating around in mind I'd like to see but I kind of don't want to burden your creativity on that by having to suggest them. :D
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.5a - Armor rework)

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Definitely a promising start. One helpful feature would be a way to punch items around to account for dense clusters like the MAP07 backpack stack, or the aftermath of the Cyberdemon room in MAP08. I also really miss the BFG and chainsaw. I'm finding a definite trend towards the super shotgun, my current playthrough has one on par with the DoomRL Arsenal MIRV Launcher. Barrel is a fun mod but Torment is probably the ultimate status effect capable of stopping enemies dead in their tracks. Anyway I'm interested to keep an eye on this one, and see what other effects come in over time. Oh and I can not confirm venom is causing problems, maybe it's that source port or some other mod you're using, I'm not running any others and am just using standard IWADs.

EDIT: The modifiers definitely favour SSGs hard, as my recent 1.9x minimissile 29 bulk 8 potent one demonstrated. No other weapon class could hope to match that three-shot Spider Mastermind killing stick! I want to say that % on hit mods are applied per-pellet too. On the other hand, flechette mod is awful, only because it feels like I'm firing dust at enemies. Also a caution, high absorb armor is often worse unless it has modular just because maps tend to have a lot more health lying around. That's noticeable in DRLA with the Renegade class too actually.
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.5a - Armor rework)

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now we need monsters with pre-fixes too :)
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.5a - Armor rework)

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Thanks you all for the feedback! I'm currently on a break, will investigate venom asap when I'll return. Also it's definitely possible to reduce the worst-case magazine size negative affix.
SSG was buffed before, and it seems I've "overbuffed" it. I think SSG can be nerfed by either reducing the maximum amount of pellets for pellet affix, or by reducing the damage when increasing the number of pellets. Or maybe I should make minimissiles have increased ammo consumption?
I also think I should finally make randomizable chainsaw. Either way, it seems the HUD rework should come later than another fix/balance patch.
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.5a - Armor rework)

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After some more play, it turns out there may be more places where the freeze happens and my discovery so far is that it's just plainly combat-related as at times and not just poison-related, the freeze may happen right on an enemy hitting me or at times when firing a weapon that doesn't have any chance modifiers at all :oops:

It may be a combination of certain mods on my end, so I'll try to pin it down too.
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.6a - Minor release with minor new synergies)

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New release is here. It's quite small this time.
Spoiler:
I couldn't reproduce "venom damage freeze" problem, so any help with pinpointing the cause will be appreciated.
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.6a - Minor release with minor new synergies)

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There are good and bad news for the project.
The bad: I can't make myself rework the UI properly, because I'm too easily distracted to new ideas.
The good: the changes I'm currently working on have made some new thingies possible.
First of all, I'm moving towards allowing multiple gameplay-altering affixes on a single item. Currently there is only one allowed (with no limits on stat-altering ones). Don't know when I'll do it, but it should be done.
Second, it allows adding some even better feature...
Spoiler: A little teaser for you
What's the best here, it should be universally compatible with most third-party monster packs - at least I'm trying it to be.
It still requires some more time in the oven though, as some mechanics are still bare-bones. Also it will possibly be OP as hell (pun intended) for some time. I'm sure the next release will be interesting. :D
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.6a - Minor release with minor new synergies)

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Getting flashbacks to Doom RPG with that screen there. Great stuff!
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.6a - Minor release with minor new synergies)

Post by ZSaturno »

Now that looks dope asf! keep it coming, this mod brought me back to play modded Doom ~
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v.0.6a - Minor release with minor new synergies)

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Excited to see how this mod develops in the future. I didn't notice any bugs for the few maps that I played with this. I tested both of the 2 different game modes, too. Very cool stuff.
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Re: DOOMablo: a looter-shooter DOOM (v0.7a - Monster affixes, or how do I balance this thing NOW?!)

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The new version is here. Get ready to face new bugs randomized monsters with their own vile affixes!
Spoiler: Oh my, that's a big one
As always, report any bugs, let's squish'em together!

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