Windows ARM64 Build

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Re: Windows ARM64 Build

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I didn't say NVidia/AMD/Intel specifically, I meant actually any vendor, but mostly SoC's.
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Happened to stumble across this today, you can apparently as of a few days ago download the ARM64 image of the just released Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 openly: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcen ... prise-ltsc (This is the LTSC version of Windows 11 24H2.)

Given the non-LTSC evaluation is behind a give marketing your contact info wall I wonder if this being an open download is temporary. Now it looks to be a single edition ISO, for an edition you can't just purchase outside of Visual Studio subscription (and while IoT Enterprise is full featured its license terms is technically super restrictive), so not super useful, but thought it was interesting enough to post.

Also kind of weird they released the IoT Enterprise version early relative to the non-IoT and non-LTSC versions. Don't know off hand if they've done that in the past.
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Windows IoT is a Store-App-only edition of Windows that's been openly available for a very long time, and it has nothing to do with the traditional desktop builds. I'm surprised they're still working on those - I thought they abandoned it.

Well according to the Overview it's a "binary equivalent" - don't know what that really means, though, but that seems to allege that it is actually compatible with traditional win32 apps. There's an AMD64 version so it's easy enough to just throw that into a Hyper-V instance to see what it's all about, I'll try it later.
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IoT Enterprise is more or less exactly the same as Enterprise just with different licensing terms. So no catch with software compatibility. It's the real deal. Specifically it's only licensed for fixed use devices and ideally devices which start their fixed experience automatically. These terms are not enforced by technical measures that I'm aware of. For Windows 10 LTSC 2021 the IoT Enterprise version also gets the full 10 years of support instead of only 5 for regular Enterprise. Which means it's a version of Windows 10 21H2 that's supported until 2032.

Not to be confused with IoT Core which is what you were thinking of and is now some cloud subscription thing. Microsoft has always been confusing with embedded edition naming. Before we had Windows embedded and Windows for embedded systems which was a similarly important distinction.
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Qualcomm released some architectural details of their new chip, and it appears they've announced native Vulkan 1.3 support is coming to Windows (also D3D 11? Not sure if that was there before).

Details: https://www.anandtech.com/show/21445/qu ... eep-dive/3

Mostly unrelated but Apple Silicon is getting Vulkan 1.3 support on Linux soon: https://rosenzweig.io/blog/vk13-on-the- ... month.html Technically nothing prevents Apple from packaging up Mesa's drivers on macOS, the reverse engineering efforts at one point at least even had the ability to run on macOS, but since the kernel ABI is unstable/private it's not realistic for Mesa to do that officially. I doubt they will though.
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That's pretty nice. I can't wait to see the benchmarks for these chips.
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Finally some benchmarks for this thing from Dave2D. Still waiting for a review from one of the more reliable sources (i.e. Hardware Unboxed or Gamers Nexus), but sounds really good if its true that the x64 emulation hit is only 10%.

Edit: as expected, they show in the beginning how its 10%, but then later in the video they show Blender Classrom where it only runs at 37% when emulated compared to what a x64 AMD laptop did. The older Qualcomm ARM ran at 31% emulated. Really need more benchmarks on this thing.
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dpJudas wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:04 am Edit: as expected, they show in the beginning how its 10%, but then later in the video they show Blender Classrom where it only runs at 37% when emulated compared to what a x64 AMD laptop did. The older Qualcomm ARM ran at 31% emulated. Really need more benchmarks on this thing.
Unless I missed a part, how did you calculate 37%?
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Oops - I was looking at the graph at 3:17 where they have a Premiere Pro + Blender Classroom comparison. However I totally misread the graph, thinking the Qualcomm bar was the AMD and that longer was better! Never mind. :)

In any case, my curiosity got the better of me and I ordered one - it should arrive sometime today. Now to figure out how to avoid creating a Microsoft account! Last I read Microsoft blocked the most common method.
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Re: Windows ARM64 Build

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Join a domain, except don't actually join one, that's the option that lets you create a local account.

Of course, if you're on Windows 11 Home ... you're fucked ... but not really, there are ways around that, too. Microsoft's overreach has gone a bit too far with this one though.

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