War Rooster v1.3 (20/08/2022)

[sibullski]

awesome thanks for letting me know

[Yokoreta]

The scream with the sixty always gives me the chills, I like the vibes and lore you gave to the character this time
My favorite of your mods now.

[armymen12002003]

just gave this a small playthrough with knee deep in the jungle as always great job

[Dr_Cosmobyte]

Thanks to you both so much!

And remember that if you ever get annoyed of the scream, you can turn it off in the options menu. 8)

[Coornib22]

Hey! The mod seems really cool, but the link is inaccessible. It just seems dead.

Edit: Nevermind, used a different browser, as you suggested earlier in the thread.

[Shatter-Thought[V-4]]

I am loving this mod, the detail put into it such as the title screen, music, menu font/art, the hallucinations, the upgrade system (I am a sucker for reward systems that give you stuff for doing 100 percent secrets/kills, or for other fun goals).

An inherent problem with the kill reward system is that some maps, or possibly some monster packs make it impossible, but that's not a real problem with this mod, as using a command if one's self if sure they deserve it is fine.

I kind of feel the ammo count is outrageous, not that I am usually one to complain about having too much ammo, but it is nuts on how much you can store up for yourself. I think having a menu option for changing from a vast ammo-store to a more "reasonable" one would be nice, but that's not a big issue obviously, and most doom players can mod it to their content without much trouble with a little experience and tools.

I tried using this with "Heart of Man", and it kind of weirdly works nicely, not perfect, and not as well perhaps as your suggestion of Avactor, but it still kind of fits in it's own way.

This is amazing work.

[Dr_Cosmobyte]

Sorry for taking so long. I appreciate it a lot! Never played Heart of Man, but i'll do so when i get to have some time!

[dawnbreez]

I like the fear effect on the SSG, it's a really thematically appropriate mechanic--but it feels really powerful--it seems like the fear never wears off. It's reaching a point where I basically only use the Fortunate Son, which bothers me, because I believe a weapon set should be balanced such that every weapon in the arsenal feels useful. (With the sometimes exception of the pistol equivalent, since some maps/mods want the first weapon to feel like a big step up.)

To that end, two suggestions:

1. Implement some kind of time limit on the fear effect...
2. ...and add (weaker) fear effects to each of the other weapons.

Now, hear me out--I know the whole point was supposed to be that demons fear the double-barrel specifically. But I think leaning into the fear mechanics would be an interesting way to set this mod apart from other weapon mods, and I have some ideas about how to implement it while keeping the Fortunate Son's unique power:

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Fear would be implemented as an inventory item with +INVENTORY.KEEPDEPLETED, for maximum monster compat. While the item count is above 1, the FearEffect item forces the target's bFRIGHTENED flag to true and takes 1 FearEffect every tic; when it hits 0, bFRIGHTENED is set to false. The KEEPDEPLETED flag is used to avoid dealing with shenanigans around trying to affect the monster while removing the last bit of FearEffect. The maximum amount of FearEffect a monster can have should be somewhere between 105 (3 seconds in tics) and 175 (5 seconds in tics).

Fear effects are handled by an event handler, in WorldThingDamaged. This event handler will have to grab the player's active weapon to get these stats. Technically speaking, for projectile weapons, the player could switch weapons while the projectile is in the air, but A) most of the weapons in the arsenal are hitscan, so this bug would only affect the rocket launchers, grenade launchers, and flamethrower, and B) all of those guns should have more favorable fear characteristics than everything but the Fortunate Son anyway. The Fortunate Son's best fear effects come specifically from firing it, too (see below).

Each weapon has a different chance to apply fear, with bigger and more horrifyingly powerful guns getting more reliable fear effects (i.e., the M16 has a very low chance of inflicting fear per shot, the shotgun has a much higher chance of inflicting fear per shot, the flamethrower is practically guaranteed to terrify everything it hits, and the Fortunate Son has a 100% chance to apply fear).

Each weapon applies that fear in a radius around the point of impact--again, the more terrifying the gun, the better the effect. The exception to this is the Fortunate Son, which applies its fear in a large radius around you, making it an excellent weapon for diving into a trench and going berserk.

The duration of fear is semi-random for most weapons. Every time a projectile successfully rolls its fear chance, it does A_RadiusGive to give 15-35 FearEffect to every enemy in the radius defined by the weapon. The Fortunate Son's player-centered fear effect is separate from this, but should give 20 FearEffect on each shot--this means that emptying the Fortunate Son into an Unfortunate One will apply just over a second of fear to everything nearby, which should be enough time to reload in safety. Since FearEffect is an inventory item with a maximum amount, you can't stack fear forever, but if you hose something down with napalm and it's still standing, it'll spend the next several seconds trying to get the hell away from you.

In general, weapons that fire slower, weapons that have more damage, and weapons that hit in a wider area should be more frightening.
Roughly speaking, here's a list of the weapons in order from least to most frightening:

1. M3A1 Grease Gun
2. M16
3. Stoner 63
4. 1911
5. Machete
6. M60
7. M14
8. Stevens 77E
9. M79
10. Flamethrower
11. Fortunate Son
12. RPG-7
13. M202 FLASH

[openroadracer]

*SNIP*

That actually sounds excellent, and I'd certainly approve of this. It'd definitely make sense, especially for the double-barrel, to have those kinds of effects.

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Also, while you're here, has anything happened with Laser Justice? Anything about that possible new class that can switch between guns instead of being locked to upgrade levels?

[dawnbreez]

Also, while you're here, has anything happened with Laser Justice? Anything about that possible new class that can switch between guns instead of being locked to upgrade levels?

IRL stuff's been happening. I've moved twice in the time since I last touched Laser Justice, and I've also started a couple other projects, and I'm still not 100% sure what I want to do with that second player class, and I'm still figuring out how to see a shrink and get an official diagnosis for whatever ADD/ADHD/whatever-the-fuck I have...

So, no news. I'm doing drive-by game design because my brain's still fried from the second move (and the IRL Stuff that prompted that second move). It's easier for me to do stuff that's in front of me than to dig back through my project list and focus on something I wanted to get back to at some point.

[openroadracer]

@Dr_Cosmobyte: The more I play this mod, the more I want to see the Grease Gun as an alternative to the M16, but the lack of ammo makes it nigh impossible. The fact that 5.56 ammo pickups spawn much more often combines with the fact that the .45 ammo pickups give so much less that it makes the Grease Gun almost unusable by comparison.

The Grease Gun is still weaker than the Stoner 63, and it should be; but the Grease Gun really should be more usable, with more generous .45 ammo pickups.

If it were up to me, I'd make it where .45 ammo spawns just as frequently as 5.56 ammo, and provides just as many rounds per pickup. Considering you get the Grease Gun after just three maps being cleared of all enemies, I'd really like to be able to lean on it more, especially in those times before I have the Stoner and/or M60.

[Dr_Cosmobyte]

Thanks for all your suggestions!

I unfortunately won't be able to give as much attention to War Rooster as i wanted, because i want to focus all my strength on Aracnocide.

But as i always do, i keep things noted down and get it all together for new updates!

Peace!

[openroadracer]

So, I've been thinking about a possible additional weapon upgrade, and I don't know if this would necessarily fit with the Vietnam theme you're going for with this mod; but as it turns out, the Winchester M1912 stayed in high-rate production until 1964.

So my thought here is simple: a new upgrade weapon to replace the Stevens 77 if you sweep enough maps out, a Winchester M12 with heat shield and bayonet. The main parts of the upgrade would be the enhanced melee attack(longer range and MUCH more damage), slightly increased accuracy(less pellet scatter), and "slam fire"(weapon fires as long as trigger is held, as fast as the pump can be cycled). The only issue is that it wouldn't change the capacity of the weapon, still stuck at six shells.

[DreemurrDeceevurr]

Been playing this with Gun Bonsai, when the China Lake (and presumably the AR and M202) are unlocked, they start out at level 1 instead of carrying over the upgrades of their respective weapons. This should probably go in that mod's thread but it seems to be a compatibility thing on this one's end.

[Thecrik]

Been playing this with Gun Bonsai, when the China Lake (and presumably the AR and M202) are unlocked, they start out at level 1 instead of carrying over the upgrades of their respective weapons. This should probably go in that mod's thread but it seems to be a compatibility thing on this one's end.

This is because gun bonsai can't really dynamically determine if a weapon has been replaced by another weapon without explicit support added for it.
Here's a quick file to add support for Gun Bonsai to War Rooster so XP should carry over between those weapons, just remember to set weapon upgrades to bind with either inheritance or to the weapon class in the mod options.