Nobody Told Me About id v0.4.9 - A Build Engine-styled mod

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NTMAi Lite for Zandronum



SUMMARY
Here's a mod of mine that's been the works since summer 2019. This is a mod that takes the charm of Build Engine games such as Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior and Blood and attempts to do the same principles for Doom. I've even gone so far to replace most of the object sprites to 1.5x upscaled sprites based on hidfan's Neural Upscaled sprites, and ensuring that there are no more than only 5 rotations for every monster sprite. Right now this mod is in a version below 1.0, so it's pretty barebones, although I'd consider it pretty much complete for a first release.

FEATURES
What's a Doom mod gotta do to be Build-styled? Here's a list:

• Some cool resources by Kinsie (Title & intermission background, sounds)
• Less slippery movement, sprite shadows and blood & gore system made by Nash
• Higher resolution monster graphics, nicer explosions and some sound caulking
• More dynamic camera movement: flinching, shaking, head flies off when gibbed...
• Angled weapons courtesy of Angled Doom and Bullet puff sounds depending on what kind of weapon you use (fist, chainsaw, gun)
• A quick reloadable pistol, hand grenades, a Super Shotgun that blasts enemies far away and a BFG 9000 that recoils...
• Unique alt-fires for weapons that require different ammo (explosive shells for shotgun, homing rockets for rocket launcher, rail beam for plasma rifle...)
• Impactful power-ups (soulsphere, invulnerability sphere...), some items are now used through the inventory (berserk, infrared...)
• Blood-styled movement for monsters
• New monster abilities: jumping over pits, jumping at enemies, charging at the player, added missing melee states...

And other things I forgot about! Some of these things like camera moves, weapon functions & jumping monsters can be adjusted through NTMAI Options

DOWNLOAD
RELEASE: https://github.com/LocalInsomniac/NTMAi/releases/download/0.4.9/ntmai.zip
GITHUB REPOSITORY: https://github.com/LocalInsomniac/NTMAi

FILES:

• ntmai.pk3 - The main file. Includes everything you need.
  
• ntmai_monsters_only_ss.pk3 - A patch for ntmai_monsters_only.pk3 that includes new SS Guards. Use only if the current map pack doesn't have SS Guard replacements.
• ntmai_monsters_only.pk3 - Self-explanatory.
• ntmai_props_only.pk3 - Also self-explanatory.
• ntmai_playpal.pk3 - Adds a Build Engine-styled colour palette for use, based on Eviternity's palette. For best experience, use this with Palette Tonemapping. Use only if it doesn't cause visual glitches on graphics (i.e. Ancient Aliens).

ADD-ONS

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Mighty Boot/Quick Melee (press Weapon State 2 to use) by Jarewill
BD Map Enhancer for NTMAi by -/Pin\- & BROS_ETT_311
(STANDALONE) NTMAi Expansion Pack by DIAMOND
BD v21 Gold Map Enhancer for NTMAi by IDDQD_1337
20th Anniversary-style HUD by IDDQD_1337
Black Gloves by IDDQD_1337
Alternate Sawed-Off Sprites by null9052
Duke Nukem Add-On Pack by jankespro12
Vanilla Doom Sounds for Weapons by Whoah
Sounds from Build Engine Games by Whoah

RECOMMENDED FOR BEST EXPERIENCE
Knee-Deep in ZDoom Lite
Doom II: Re-Build-t (Best match so far)
The Ultimate Doom II
Hell On Earth Starter Pack with Vanilla Improver


INFORMATION
(Work In Progress)

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Your Refined Arsenal

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THE DOOM GUY
Yep, that's you. You've got plenty of guns to choose from, but what do they do?


PISTOL
A handy starter gun. Fires quickly but reloads after 10 shots. This won't be enough to keep you alive in a demonic invasion, though.


SHOTGUN
Your good ol' trusty signature weapon. Now it has an alternative firing mode that shoots out explosive shots. You need explosive shells to do that, though. They can be found in secrets.


ROCKET LAUNCHER
Now it has a grip for nicer recoil handling. Also includes an alternative firing mode that lets you shoot homing missiles. You need homing rockets to do this, though. They can be found in secrets.


Makes your enemies' blood boil. Also has an alternative firing mode that lets you shoot rail beams and pierce through enemies. A rail attack costs 20 cells.

The Fearsome Beastiary

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ZOMBIEMAN, SHOTGUN GUY, SMG GUY
Possessed security guards. They'll try to stop you no matter what, but they'll most likely seem like a joke to you.


IMP
Aggressive and nimble. They jump over pits and drop off ledges, and will try to burn you down.


DEMON
Stealthy as a lion, strong as a bodybuilder. If they ever get confronted by a gorilla, they will put it down easily. This strong specimen will jump over pits and at their enemies, too.


HELL KNIGHT
Weaker than their superior counterpart Barons of Hell, but more agile. While they can't hurl 3 green fireballs at you simultaneously, they'll attack and charge much more frequently.


BARON OF HELL
Hell Knights' big brothers. They're a little bit slower, but they can hurl 3 green fireballs at you simultaneously.


REVENANT
For whatever reason, one of the guys at UAC decided to give them jetpacks. Hope he gets fired.


CYBERDEMON
A dual-wielding cyborg demon. A force to be jealous to.

CHANGELOG

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v0.4.9

• Added missing Inventory.BigPowerup flag to Portable Medkit
• Changed BFG 9000
  
  • Recoil has been reduced from 20-30 to 10
  • Refire time has been reduced by 10%
• Updated Sawed-Off Shotgun graphics by nels
• Fixed item replacement system
  
  • Item specials are now carried over to replacement items
  • Replacement items can now respawn
• Fixed Chainsaw and Mutilator getting bloody after sawing monsters with the NoBlood flag to death
• Optimized code

v0.4.8

• Added an option to toggle vanilla monster infighting
• Increased chances of Zombies and SS Guards throwing grenades
  
  • Increased chance from ~4% to ~6% in I Am Ultra Violent
  • Increased chance from ~8 to ~12% in Your Worst Nightmare
• Changed menu hotkeys of game difficulties
• Fixed Zombies and SS Guards not throwing grenades on I Am Ultra Violent
• Fixed corpse decorations being resurrectable
• Optimized code

v0.4.7

• Added option to toggle smooth monster movement (sv_ntm_monsterSmooth)
• Changed Flamethrower
  
  • Adjusted alternate attack animation
  • Increased flame range by 2 tics
  • Flame base damage is now randomized from 1 to 2
• Changed Unmaker
  
  • Changed typo in pickup message
  • Increased minimal point-blank damage from 12 to 30
  • Increased ammo consumption from 1 to 2
• Buffed Shotgun's alternate attack
  
  • Increased minimum damage from 28 to 33
  • Increased maximum damage from 66 to 76
  • Increased damage radius from 48 to 64 units
• Reduced volumes of some sounds
  
  • Reduced ricochet by 62%
  • Reduced bullet casing impact by 10%
• Fixed Flamethrower
  
  • Fixed alternate attack using ammo when infinite ammo is enabled
  • Fixed first frame of flame not being lit

v0.4.6

• Added blood decals
• Optimized code

v0.4.5

• Ac!d: Added Cluster Grenades, can be found in secrets (can be disabled, sv_ntm_clusterGrenade)
• Added option for spinning weapon voxels (cl_ntm_voxelSpin)
• TSF, DrPyspy & Hellfire: Changed Semi Rifle graphics
• Potential fix for Cyberdemon crash
• Potential fix for moving on slippery floors
• Optimized code

v0.4.4

• Added missing pistol pickup sprite
• Improved locked door detection, player will no longer freeze for a moment when trying to open locked doors (found by blackfish)
• Power-up sound will now take "silent pickup" compatibility flag into account
• Fixed code warnings
• Fixed grenade-weapon-spam exploit (found by Jarewill)
• Fixed not being able to pick up a Super SMG to get Dual Super SMGs when ammo is full (found by Hellfire)
• Fixed inventory item messages showing for everyone
• Removed throwing grenade using "Use Item" bind, grenades are now thrown using "Use Grenade" bind
• Optimized code

v0.4.3

• Added ntmai_playpal.pk3 to the mod pack: Adds a Build Engine-styled colour palette for use, based on Eviternity's palette. For best experience, use this with Palette Tonemapping. Use only if it doesn't cause visual glitches on graphics (i.e. Ancient Aliens).
• Optimized SS Guard's graphics
• Improved C4 Remote's throwing animation
• Improved performance
• Upgraded ZScript version to 4.3.3
• Fixed bloody footprints appearing on objects
• Fixed being able to pick up Super SMGs when ammo is full
• Fixed Heavy Weapon Dude's replacement option
• Fixed boss enemies not activating action specials
• Optimized code

v0.4.2

• Added an options menu that lets you control which enemies get replaced by NTMAi (useful for map packs like Eviternity that replace vanilla enemies with new ones)
• Added SS Guards into main mod
• Updated Super SMG voxel
• Fixed jumping monsters dropping off when jumping is disabled
• Fixed liquid shenanigans with effects
• Fixed SS Guards having zombie screams when burning
• Fixed Spider Mastermind's death animation not lighting up

v0.4.1

• Added missing decals
• mrtaterz: Added throwing animation for Remote Bombs
• Updated Super SMG voxel
• Jumping monsters will no longer drop off from ridiculous heights
• Fixed keycard animations remaining in inventory
• Fixed hanging body states
• Optimized graphics

v0.4

• TSF: Added new Grenade Launcher graphics
• REVENGE: Added new voice lines
• Added new Shotgun for Alternative loadout
• Added bullet chip decal & graphic optimizations
• CynicalDreamer & Hellfire: Updated SMG graphics
• Added Dual Super SMGs for Alternative loadout (find another Super SMG, can be toggled by pressing slot 4)
• Decreased chance of taunting
• Adjusted Grenade Launcher
• Improved explosives' damage
• The Unmaker now shoots 3 lasers and use 3 cells instead
• Changed Unmaker laser effect
• Jumping enemies will no longer still drop off cliffs when jumping is disabled
• Reverted vanilla air control for vanilla movement
• Fixed model paths
• Fixed Demons not getting in pain state when being damaged while biting in mid-air
• Fixed enemies not dropping items when burning
• Boondorl: fixed Lost Soul charge
• Temporary fix for Semi Rifle ironsight
• Fixed stretchy gib ceiling detection
• Fixed a crash related to Cyberdemons (needs testing)
• Optimized code
• Removed shadows under corpses

v0.3.2

• Added add-ons created by other people to the forum thread
• Morty & Last, the Shotgun Knight: Fixed issues related to human enemies throwing grenades
• ntmai_ss.pk3 is now compatible with ntmai_monsters_only.pk3
• Optimized code
  CHANGES FROM 0.3.1 HOTFIX:
• Yukes Von Faust: Added new burning sounds for zombies
• Fixed voxel offsets
• Wivicer: Fixed a crash when touching the ground underwater
• mamaluigisbagel: Fixed reloading to your heart's content with the reload key

v0.3.1

• Added friction during keycard animations
• Buffed Sawed-Off damage by 33%
• Increased Semi Rifle capacity by 29%
• Increased Grenade Launcher trajectory
• Enabled autoaim on Grenade Launcher
• Fixed getting stuck during keycard animations
• namsan, Jekyll Grim Payne: Fixed keycard animations not playing
• Fixed reloadable weapons not being able to be reloaded with the reload key
• Fixed keycard animation switching to Plasma Rifle or Remote Explosives after finishing

v0.3

• Added alternative loadout that resembles Build Engine games more
• Hellfire: Added keycard animation for locked doors (can be skipped by clicking or switching weapons, experimental, sv_ntm_keycard)
• Kishiby Diggy: Added auto-activate option for radiation suit (experimental, cl_ntm_activate)
• Zombies can now throw grenades on hard difficulties (sv_ntm_grenadiers)
• DIAMOND: Added SMG Guy as alternative for Heavy Weapon Dude (only found when playing with alternate loadout)
• Humanoid enemies can be burnt alive with the alternate loadout's Flamethrower (sv_ntm_burn)
• Hellfire, mrtaterz: New weapon sprites
• Hellfire: Fixed weapon sprites
• Improved hand grenade & homing rocket blast
• Improved revenant flying animation
• Kishiby Diggy: Changed Heavy Weapon Dude's voice
• Increased chainsaw damage by 50%
• Mirphy: Decreased accuracy of Zombiemen by 25%
• Last, The Shotgun Knight: Slightly more kickback on Shotgun firing animation
• DIAMOND: Improved invisibility powerup
• SS guards' grenade attacks can now by toggled (sv_ntm_grenadiers)
• Demons will now only attack in mid-air on normal and hard difficulties
• Nash Muhandes: Improved shadow system
• Don't use Shadow Warrior-styled weapon bobbing on multiplayer, it stutters
• Updated Revenant flying graphics
• Fixed monster movement
• DIAMOND: Fixed inconsistent special ammo position on HUD
• Fixed Revenant missiles being blasted away with hand grenades and homing rockets
• Fixed SS Guards being unable to infight
• Fixed Super Shotgun bullet puffs not making ricochet sounds
• Fixed a crash caused by Cyberdemons
• Fixed players taunting while dead
• Fixed players taunting when gibbing corpses
• Fixed Plasma Rifle not emitting light when shooting
• Fixed Plasma Rifle alt fire alerting enemies with insufficient ammo
• Fixed a crash caused by Archviles
• Fixed weapons not staying on multiplayer
• Optimized code

v0.2.4

• Added SS Guards as a separate mod (ntmai_ss.pk3)
• mrtaterz: Added new difficulties
• Added separate gore sprites for software mode
• Added voxels for Explosive Shell and Homing Rocket (disabled due to palette problems)
• Added option for ammo casings to stay on the floor (cl_ntm_casing)
• Hellfire: Updated keycard graphics & voxels
• Hand Grenades can now be used through the inventory (experimental)
• Fixed special ammo position
• Fixed a freeze when flying or noclipping
• Fixed enemy movement
• Hellfire: Fixed shotgun pump animation
• Increased Explosive Shell damage
• namsan: Super Shotgun kickback force is now based on user's distance
• Minor adjustments
• Optimized code

v0.2.3

• Added Shadow Warrior-styled weapon bobbing
• Added experimental Blood-styled death animations (sv_ntm_bloodDeath)
• Added Super Knockback for Super Shotgun
• Added tags for inventory items
• Fixed the player being unable to pick up items after picking up a backpack
• Fixed crushed corpses being gibbable
• Fixed getting speed boosts from damage
• Fixed dead cacodemon objects having red blood
• Fixed a crash from sprite shadow system
• Fixed decal definitions
• Improved weapon animations
• Adjusted Hand Grenade trajectory & bouncing
• Removed "Stackable backpacks" option (sv_ntm_opBackpack)

v0.2.2

• Added air control
• Added jumping animation for Doomguy
• Zombies now scream during chainsaw death
• Heavy Weapon Dude now screams during death-while-attacking
• Jumping monsters can now jump over pits by default (sv_ntm_monsterLeap)
• Revenant jetpacks can now be toggled (sv_ntm_monsterFly)
• Increased Hand Grenade capacity by 20
• Hand Grenades now cause knockback
• Increased Homing Rocket capacity by 10
• Buffed homing rockets
• Backpacks will now always give 2 explosive shells and 1 homing rocket
• Fixed gibbed corpses being gibbable again

v0.2.1

• Added pickups for Grenades
• Special ammo is now displayed
• Fixed Hand Grenade key bind
• Fixed ammo being used from throwing Hand Grenades
• Fixed inventory items depleting after finishing a level
• Berserk powerup will now switch to the fist
• Demons can now do a melee attack after reaching a target by charging

v0.2

• Added voxel models for Berserk Pack and Portable Medkit by Ac!d
• Added injured state for zombies
• Added death-while-attacking animation to Heavy Weapon Dude
• Added jetpacks to Revenants
• Added explosive shell alt-fire for the shotgun, ammo can be found in secrets (sv_ntm_boomShells)
• Added homing rocket alt-fire for the rocket launcher, ammo can be found in secrets (sv_ntm_homingRockets)
• Added rail beam alt-fire for the plasma rifle
• Added grenades, can be obtained randomly from rocket boxes and backpacks (Use "Weapon State 1" or "Hand Grenade" bind to throw grenades)
• Improved sprites
• Improved fist attack during berserk powerup
• Changed Heavy Weapon Dude's graphics
• Enemies won't have pain animations during special animations
• Increased camera flinching
• Increased knockback on the fist and super shotgun
• Blood no longer stays on the floor by default (cl_ntm_bloodDetail)
• Fixed powerup effects being permanent on level exit

v0.1.8

• Fixed enemies randomly dropping off and getting stuck
• Fixed enemies teleporting forever
• Fixed attack rate for real
• Changed Plasma Rifle cooldown animation offsets
• Changed speed for Lost Soul, Cacodemon and Pain Elemental

v0.1.7

• Added camera tilting on death (cl_ntm_cameraTilt)
• Added toggleable voxels (r_drawvoxels, W.I.P.)
• Added pitch consideration to BFG 9000 recoil
• Added updated Shotgun and Super Shotgun sprites by DenisBelmondo
• Added optimizations
• Added missing crouching sprites
• Added interactive props (W.I.P.)
• Added key pickup sound
• Updated gore system
• Updated shadows system
• Updated enemy movement by Matt
• Clearer custom sprites
• Changed falling scream, provided by YukesVonFaust
• Imps can now shoot fireballs during melee attacks
• Lost Souls will now stop attacking after losing speed
• Arch-Viles are now faster
• Fixed Berserk Pack stopping at 1%
• Fixed pistol reload alerting enemies
• Fixed enemy attack rate
• Fixed Lost Soul pain sound
• Fixed explosion sprite flipping
• Fixed corpses sometimes not being gibbable
• Fixed a crash from an Arch-Vile killing a Lost Soul
• Removed Chaingun wind-up

v0.1.6

• Fixed Berserk Pack effect stopping at 2%
• Fixed a hard crash from gibbing a dead Cacodemon

v0.1.5

• Added a new intro
• Added taunting after gibbing monsters (cl_ntm_taunt)
• Added falling scream
• Added portable medkits, can replace Soulspheres or Soulspheres outside secret areas (sv_ntm_soulsphere)
• Added toggleable inventory items by Ac!d
• Added fullscreen status bar by Ac!d
• Changed HUD border textures
• Changed berserk pack sprite
• Jumping/leaping monsters now drop off ledges to prevent them from being stuck

v0.1.4

• Fixed key positions in status bar
• Fixed bullet casing positioning on Pistol
• Don't pick up an inventory item when the player already has it
• Jumping/charging monsters now infight different species

v0.1.3

• Added a new status bar by RoastedBeefo and Ac!d
• Added jdredalert to credits
• New menu confirm sound by Kinsie
• Buffed pistol damage by 33%
• Gnarlier zombie chainsaw death
• Increased decapacitated player head's gravity
• Less janky decapacitated player head movement
• Fixed a crash from gibbing a player with a direct rocket hit
• Weapon offsets fixed by EddieMann
• Fixed missing rotations
• Renamed all sprites to prevent mod conflicts

v0.1.2

• Jumping monsters won't leap or jump at the player when the ceiling is too low
• Fixed Arch-Viles not being able to resurrect dead demons
• Some power-ups can now be used through the inventory
• Added experimental destructible corpses

v0.1.1

• Fixed offsets for Shotgun, Super Shotgun and Chaingun
• Changed "Blood pools" option default to On

CREDITS

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GRAPHICS:
alandoguns
Amuscaria
BloodyAcid
Blox
Can't Sleep
Captain J
CeeJay
David G
DeathCold
DenisBelmondo
DoomNukem
DrPyspy
Eriance
Gothic
GRAU
Hellfire
hidfan
Homie
HorrorMovieGuy
id Software
IMX
jdredalert
Jekyll Grim Payne
JoeyTD
Kinsie
Lobotomy Software
MarphitimusBlackimus
Mike12
Minigunner
mrtaterz
Nash Muhandes
Neccronixis
Neoworm
Raven Software
raymoohawk
Reikall
Ringman
RoastBeefo
Rogue Entertainment
Sgt Mark IV
Sonik.o.Fan
Team Hellspawn
TheRailgunner
Vostyok
Z86
zrrion the insect
3D Realms

SOUNDS:
Aubrey Hodges
Dynamo
id Software
Jaxxoon R
Kinsie
Lobotomy Software
Nash Muhandes
The Internet
Valve Software
YukesVonFaust
3D Realms

MUSIC:
silentzora

CODE:
Ac!d
Boondorl
Can't Sleep
Enjay
Jekyll Grim Payne
jewalky
Kinsie
Nash Muhandes
PillowBlaster
wildweasel
Zombie

GENERAL:
BROS_ETT_311
Captain J
DIAMOND
EddieMann
jankespro12
Jarewill
mrtaterz
-/Pin\-

NTMAi Lite is maintained by Pato Fanatico

Let me know if there are some people missing!

Bug reports are appreciated!

[Kinsie]

This is real fun and was a blast to help out on, thanks for letting me get involved!

[Enjay]

For me, quite a few of the weapons have gaps between the bottom of the sprite and the edge of the screen when using the full-screen HUD. Anyone else seeing that?



I also find that the angledness of the plasma gun and the centred sprite stream of plasma is a bit odd.



Other than that, so far so good.

[TheOldKingCole]

You should add Doomguy quips similar to Duke, Wang, or Caleb quips.

[Joblez_I]

man, this is great! the way the weapons look and feel, as well as the changed movement and new enemy sprites really works well in making this feel like a build engine game! i seem to have a small error, though. some sprites seem to have an issue where some weapon sprites are a little too short, and seem to have their ends above the viewport. this is specific to the shotgun, chaingun, and super shotgun only, it seems. all the other weapons are fine.

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Besides this, the mod is excellent! i really enjoy it, and i'll probably be playing it a lot! good work!

[TheOldKingCole]

A Duke styled mighty kick would also be cool

[CantSleep]

man, this is great! the way the weapons look and feel, as well as the changed movement and new enemy sprites really works well in making this feel like a build engine game! i seem to have a small error, though. some sprites seem to have an issue where some weapon sprites are a little too short, and seem to have their ends above the viewport. this is specific to the shotgun, chaingun, and super shotgun only, it seems. all the other weapons are fine.

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Besides this, the mod is excellent! i really enjoy it, and i'll probably be playing it a lot! good work!

For me, quite a few of the weapons have gaps between the bottom of the sprite and the edge of the screen when using the full-screen HUD. Anyone else seeing that?

Other than that, so far so good.

Oops.. seems like I didn't test fullscreen HUD at all. Will fix this in v0.1.1/v0.2/anything, you'll have to stick with vanilla HUD for now. Sorry!

[Artman2004]

A few suggestions:
More alt-fires
Destructible corpses and environments
New weapons?

[CantSleep]

Destructible corpses

Noted!!

[AlphaSoraKun]

Judging by what I saw! I am going to love this mod! In the meantime! Expect testing to occur!

[CantSleep]

Hotfix version 0.1.1 has been released.

• Fixed offsets for Shotgun, Super Shotgun and Chaingun
• Changed "Blood pools" option default to On

[theroguemonk]

i just see the normal angled mod with ketchup mod.. i see no enhancements nor new things.. why? i am confused

[Craneo]

A Duke styled mighty kick would also be cool

I second this, I'd also like to see the old Shotgunner design being used (rn it seems to be a Zombieman recolored rather than our good ol' bald boi), otherwise, this seems pretty great, I really like the concept!

[RikohZX]

I'll say that whether due to AI tweaks and/or hitbox changes, the enemies tend to get stuck on walls which leaves them rather vulnerable. Pinkies and Spectres in particular can get stuck hopping up and down on a wall like a hyped up bulldog.
https://webm.red/hMsE.webm

[CantSleep]

i just see the normal angled mod with ketchup mod.. i see no enhancements nor new things.. why? i am confused

Because you most possibly haven't even tried the mod for yourself or made any further progress with it.

A Duke styled mighty kick would also be cool

I second this, I'd also like to see the old Shotgunner design being used (rn it seems to be a Zombieman recolored rather than our good ol' bald boi), otherwise, this seems pretty great, I really like the concept!

The recolored zombieman is a nod to games like Duke3D where some enemies are just palette swaps of another one but has a different attack.

I'll say that whether due to AI tweaks and/or hitbox changes, the enemies tend to get stuck on walls which leaves them rather vulnerable. Pinkies and Spectres in particular can get stuck hopping up and down on a wall like a hyped up bulldog.
https://webm.red/hMsE.webm

Hmm.. how did you get this issue? In my experience there were no enemies getting stuck by chasing into walls, since they only lose momentum and start turning around whenever they hit a wall. I also haven't changed the hitboxes for the enemies, besides the Spider Mastermind. The only way they could get stuck is because of poor map thing placement, for example in E1M1 (In which case I have to use +FIXMAPTHINGPOS, except that fixes things that are only stuck in 1-sided walls). Give details and I'll look into it