Hodgepodge [final update]

[IdiotBitz]

it saddens me to say that i am no longer developing Hodgepodge, nor will it be developed anymore in its current state. truth is, the mod has been dead for quite a while now, i have just been telling myself that i would eventually pick it back up again, however that day never came. the latest change to the mod was made around 5 months ago. ive barely touched the mod since then.

there are three main reasons why i have stopped working on this:
-my attempt to keep this Zandronum compatible.
-i kept trying to implement or streamline certain features of the maps while at the same time ignoring the ever-growing pile of unimplemented features that needed to be worked on. this just kept growing and growing until it eventually overwhelmed me.
-ive almost completely lost the enthusiasm i originally had over 2 years ago for making maps. there is still a part of me that wants to continue working on this, despite its glaring flaws, but i always lack the motivation to go through with it.

the vision for what i wanted these maps to be has changed a lot since i originally made it. when i created the first map, i was very new to the concept of mapping, even newer to UDMF, which this was only the 2nd map i've made in that format. my first map being for a long forgotten """""project""""" of mine way back which does not really deserve mentioning. upon working on map 2, i began running into issues with working with the limitations of using a UDMF map and not using any ACS because i didnt know how it worked back in 2016. i gave up once i had reached the 3rd map and went back and started working on adding in proper scripts to do the things i wanted. another issue i ran into was my attempt to keep it compatible with Zandronum whilst still using features exclusive to GZDoom. had i not even attempted to make it compatible with Zandronum in the first place oh so long ago, i would probably still be working on this. there are so many different scripts and line actions in the maps meant to be used by one of two different engines it has made trying to change something in the maps a chore.

i know that there were a couple people who had played and enjoyed my maps, even a few who went out and made Youtube videos about it that i didnt discover til a year after they made it. To you, i'd like to say thank you for expressing your interest in these maps, because i probably would've stopped working on this long before had it not been for it.

now, i wouldnt be making this update on the original post itself if i didn't have anything to offer. ive uploaded the final update to this mod and the download link will be below. i dont remember what i changed. it has been a long time since i have tinkered in the code. what i do know however is that this version is most likely a lot more buggy than the previous version. there were things i was attempting to work on but later abandoned. i highly recommend using the addon file alongside the main file, as i cant guarantee the mod will work 100% without it. you are completely free to tinker around with and make your own versions of these maps, since i dont see myself doing so. all i ask is that you credit the people who made the resources ive used in the mod.
download the main file here.
download the addon file here.

and lastly, if i ever work on this in the future, what i would do is take all of the parts of the mod that i liked and start from scratch. give it a new name, too. maybe even figure out how zscript works while im at it.
however, don't expect anything like that to come to fruition soon.

thank you to everyone who played hodgepodge.

everything from the original thread is in this spoiler below:

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Hodgepodge Version 0.3 [RC #2]

there is grass now


if you look closely at the image above, you can see clearly that there is indeed grass in this image

Now, I'm still not done with what I want to get finished in v0.3, but I'm getting close. The next update will focus on finishing all of those placeholder scripts I left empty, and adding more tidbits to map 2.

So to the newcomers of this mod, the idea is I take the DOOM 1 and 2 levels, put them together, mix em up a bit with some UDMF and ACS magic, and then you've got yourself a mod!
(It's a bit more involved than that but you get the idea.)


Here are things you can look forward to when playing the latest update:
-Fixed a bug in Map 2 where I accidentally made it unbeatable. Map 2 is now beatable again.
-Zandronum is still not compatible. I'll get it working eventually, but it's such a headache to try to figure out workarounds, disregarding the stuff I already can't do.
-Added grass. "Borrowed" from this post. (Addon only)
-Placed some more details in Map 2. (Might take a hit on performance in one specific area, but that will be fixed next update.)
-Added some scripty tidbits in, you guessed it, Map 2.
-Gave the secret outdoor area in Map 2 a makeover it seriously needed.

Now, this is the second RC version of 0.3, that means that there's only a few things missing that v0.3 will have. A few of those things include:
-The rest of ACSified Map 2.
-A finished Map 3. (Coming in v0.4.)
-Anything that resembles a map on the first secret level.
-Literally anything to use as a placeholder for the second secret level.
-All of those cool scripts I said I was gonna make but I have yet to make. (Top Priority)
-The rest of the custom decor (Found some good sprites, now all I need to do is add em.)
-Make those workarounds for Zandronum so that it wont be as broken anymore.
-Streamline the structure of the code in the DECORATE, ACS, and MENUDEF files.

Click this spoiler for some more screenies! (VERY outdated, will replace with more recent screenies when I properly release v0.3.)

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(These screenshots are from the unfinished map 3.)

If you're interested in giving these maps a spin, here's that download thingy for you.
Current Version: v0.3 [RC #2]
Last Updated On: 6/16/18
bad things will happen if zandronum is used with this one

Also, check out this addon file for all of the cool and interesting stuff exclusive to GZDoom.
Addon Version: v4.1
Made for: v0.3 [RC #2]
Last Updated On: 6/16/18
zandronum doesnt work with this one k thx bye

Also, the addon file now uses some custom assets, so obviously i gotta credit what i stole.

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Credits:
-a bush: Originally by id Software, Edited by Xaser, Jimmy, Minigunner
-some rocks: KDiZD Team
-water: Original Sprites from Duke3D, Sounds from Strife, Submitted and Coded by Captain Toenail
-literally all of DOOM 1's textures lol: Original textures by id Software (duh), conversion by SargeBaldy
-grass: Original Sprites from: osjclatchford

oh, and here's that changelog i guess

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Changelog:
v0.3 [RC #2]
-Fixed a bug in Map 2 where I accidentally made it unbeatable. Map 2 is now beatable again.
-Zandronum is still not compatible. I'll get it working eventually, but it's such a headache to try to figure out workarounds, disregarding the stuff I already can't do.
-Added grass. "Borrowed" from this post. (Addon only)
-Placed some more details in Map 2. (Might take a hit on performance in one specific area, but that will be fixed next update.)
-Added some scripty tidbits in, you guessed it, Map 2.
-Gave the secret outdoor area in Map 2 a makeover it seriously needed.
v0.3 [RC #1]
-Map 2 is now ~50% ACSified. Basically the same thing I did to Map 1 in the previous update.
-Some compatibility scripts have been added for those using mods that like to break my scripts.
-Zandronum compatibility has been broken again. (It really is a PITA to NOT break, tbh.)
-The Addon file is now at Version 4, featuring new options to mess around with. (Some options are unimplemented. This will be fixed in the next update.)
-A new "first time warning" appears whenever using the newest version. This is to make sure the map isn't unplayable on any newcomer's first playthrough. The warning is disabled by toggling an option in the menu.
-A placeholder episode 2 map 2 has been added, but is inaccessible by conventional means. The only way to access the map is to either use console commands or uncomment the episode in the .pk3 file.
-A finished Map 3! (Not really.)
v0.3 [TEST #2]
-Map 1 is now completely overhauled!
-Optional Custom DOOM 1 textures have been implemented. (Map 1 only, Addon required)
-A new "shuffle" feature has been added to the music menu. The shuffle feature randomly picks one of the songs you have the option to play for a specific map. (Works on all current maps)
-A new custom decoration has been added (Map 1 only, addon required)
-Those fancy new-fangled ACS scripts are now used to their fullest extent! (Map 1 only)
-Zandronum compatibility was fixed.
-Zandronum compatibility was broken again.
-Deathmatch levels were removed. (They were dumb and bad)
-Cleaned up some texture work on Map 1.
-Rebalanced some monsters again on Map 1.
-Implemented custom items from a side project that are currently unused, but will be used at a later point.
v0.3 [TEST]
-Fixed some stuff in map 1 again.
-Revamped multiple rooms in map 2.
-Added half of map 3.
-Added some new skyboxes.
-Made a Zandronum-friendly options menu.
-Added more options to tinker with in the addon menu.
-Made that acid part of map 2 not terrible.
-Made some minor rebalancing changes on the maps to fit better with the flow of the original maps.
v0.2.4
-Zandronum is now compatible again. Co-op players rejoice!
-Replaced all swimmable areas with actual 3D floors, allowing for transparent water/acid.
-Worked on the wip third map some more. Don't expect much.
-Generic monster balancing on map 2.
-Added more functionality to the mod by making an optional addon that gives you access to a menu which lets you tamper with the Skybox and Music, if you hate the ones I chose. (Only works on GZDoom, Zandronum don't like the "AddMenuOption".)
-Generic fixes to some areas.
-Raised two sector's floors above the acid area where the outdoor area is by 8.
-Moved 4 monsters into a room beside the room they originally resided in to make the gameplay of map 2 feel a bit more balanced.
-Worked on the mod for 2 days and ignored it's existence for another 30+ days.
-This version wasn't going to be released, if it weren't for the incompatibility with Zandronum on the previous release.
v0.2.3
-All maps now have Doom 1 skies.
-Added text to the beginning of each map that displays the name of map you're currently on and what Episode/Level you're on.
-Added 2 placeholder maps. One for the upcoming third level, and one for the first secret level. Both of these are unfinished, and the player is informed of this upon entering either map.
-Added more spicy midis for upcoming maps.
v0.2.2
-Fixed random textures.
-Replaced "windows" that were just impassable metal bars with actual transparent windows.
-Added some light variation to a certain part of Map 2.
-Added a secret exit to Map 1, however, since the secret map does not even exist yet it just leads to Map 2.
-Changed the way the teleporting worked for the "vent" areas in both Map 1 and 2.
-Removed car physics.
-Removed unused/unfinished/inaccessible level. Will be added once there's actually a way to access it without console commands.
v0.2.1
-Made certain secrets on map 2 actually register as secrets.
-Some texture fixes.
-Added unique intermission screens for each level. (2 so far, because there's only two levels.)
-Added some behind-the-scene junk for use in the upcoming third map, including a funky new midi that definitely was not stolen from Mod Archive. (Will be released at the same time Mordeth 3 comes out)
v0.2
-The alternative version of this mod which added compatibility for Jimmy's "A Boy and His Barrel" has temporarily been deprecated. It will be worked on again from scratch when Episode 1 of Hodgepodge is complete. (Whenever THAT is.)
-The stupid annoying green fog and poison damage when going outdoors from the previous version has been removed.
-The stupid annoying skybox has also been removed.
-The second map has been finished and added to the mod. (Obviously.)
-Certain monster placements have been moved around for balance reasons.
-Same goes for certain secrets.
-The name of the first episode has been changed from "Knee-Deep in Clusterfuck" to "Keep-Deep in Hodgepodge", because why not.
-The first map is now in a condition I can safely say is completely done. Nothing besides some texture fixing will be added to the map.
-As briefly said in the above text, Cooperative spawns for up to 8 players has been implemented into both maps. Deathmatch spawns will come at another time.

[Dr_Cosmobyte]

I approve the idea. It's vanilla enough to me. Downloading.

[IdiotBitz]

Making progress on the second map... got about 40% of the structure down. Should be out in a few days.

[IdiotBitz]

Update Time!

First off, I added compatibility for Jimmy's "A Boy and His Barrel" mod. You can download the compatible version here, or from the link on OP. (Does not include Jimmy's mod.)
Second, I added the (very unfinished) 2nd map, so you can get the basic idea of what I'm going for the next level. (Not included in ABAHB version.)

[Jimmy]

Wow lol. Guess I'll be checking this out.

EDIT: Cool! Very awesome to see a kind of "user level" for my dumb mod barely 3 days into its gestation. Anyway the map's pretty cool, although I wasn't a huge fan of the fogs or the low gravity, they seemed kind of arbitrary. Still, fun was had escorting Violet to the exit. Monster placement was pretty forgiving though. Maybe I should've played on UV?

From a mapping design perspective, there are some small alignment and texturing issues, but these are relatively forgivable. Detail-wise, you've probably got an over-reliance on slopes and tiny steps where simple 8-unit steps will do to transition between areas. Height variation's great for giving your map character, and you certainly have it here, but don't try to hide it, I guess is my point. 2-unit steps don't look all that good imho.

Speaking of height variation, the outside area is a keen example of the "doors disappearing into sky" effect, a fairly typical mistake I myself have made far too often. See the ceiling of the outside area? It's a bit too low - opening the doors there means they appear to kind of compress into nothing.

Also, I could be wrong but, are some of these areas copy-pasted directly from the IWAD levels? You'll become a far better mapper if you put in the work to recreate these from scratch, trust me.

[IdiotBitz]

Hey, thanks for checking out the level, Jimmy!

Detail-wise, you've probably got an over-reliance on slopes and tiny steps where simple 8-unit steps will do to transition between areas. Height variation's great for giving your map character, and you certainly have it here, but don't try to hide it, I guess is my point. 2-unit steps don't look all that good imho.

Hm, didn't really think about that. I'll go back and get rid of some unnecessary slopes.

Speaking of height variation, the outside area is a keen example of the "doors disappearing into sky" effect, a fairly typical mistake I myself have made far too often. See the ceiling of the outside area? It's a bit too low - opening the doors there means they appear to kind of compress into nothing.

Wow, how did I not see that? I'll definitely raise the ceiling to a more realistic amount.

Also, I could be wrong but, are some of these areas copy-pasted directly from the IWAD levels? You'll become a far better mapper if you put in the work to recreate these from scratch, trust me.

Yeah, there's two rooms in particular I could've spent more time on to spruce it up a bit.

I'll be sure to make all these changes after I complete the 2nd map. Here's a screenie of what I've got done so far:

[IdiotBitz]

Well, after 9 months of being completely absent on this thread, I figured now would be a good time to say that this project is not dead, I just haven't had much enthusiasm to complete it.
However, a quite of bit of progress has been made, but not what someone else could say is 9 month's worth of progress.

This here is a more up-to-date screenie of the second map:


And here is a tidbit of info I figured was worth sharing for right now:

-The obnoxious, super annoying fog/acid damage in all the outdoorsy areas have been removed. Also, any damaging floors have been switched to use more traditional ways to deal damage, to increase compatibility with mods that mess with that stuff.
-The "A Boy and His Barrel" version of this mapset is temporarily deprecated. It is missing a bunch of important changes made to the maps, so I figured I would just remake it using a finished version of each map. Whenever THAT is.
-Most texture incompatibilities have been fixed.
-Other than maybe a couple misaligned textures, I can safely say that the first map is completely finished. No more additions will come to it.
-Both maps are now cooperative friendly, since these maps are compatible with Zan 3.0.
-The second map is MOHSTLY finished, now only a few rooms need to added/changed until I consider it done.
-I've seen a noticeable imbalance in monster placement throughout the maps. This may have something to do with the fact that DOOM 2 has considerably more monsters per level than DOOM 1. (At least the first couple maps) Because of this, monster placement will have to be changed to more fit the flow of the levels.
-I should probably start integrating DOOM 1 textures into these maps, to make certain areas look a bit better. I am also considering implementing the cchest4 textures as well, but not as likely as the DOOM 1 textures.

At the rate it took me to get this far, I should probably get version 0.2 released before July. No promises, however, considering my bad habit of not working on this for weeks/months at a time.

[IdiotBitz]

Despite me doubting whether I would ever finish the second map or not, I actually did it. The second map has been completed and added to the latest version of the mod.

Here's a screenshot of the map's layout. (Warning: Also shows all of the secrets.)

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And also to quote the updated OP:

Changelog:
-The alternative version of this mod which added compatibility for Jimmy's "A Boy and His Barrel" has temporarily been deprecated. It will be worked on again from scratch when Episode 1 of Hodgepodge is complete. (Whenever THAT is.)
-The stupid annoying green fog and poison damage when going outdoors from the previous version has been removed.
-The stupid annoying skybox has also been removed.
-The second map has been finished and added to the mod. (Obviously.)
-Certain monster placements have been moved around for balance reasons.
-Same goes for certain secrets.
-The name of the first episode has been changed from "Knee-Deep in Clusterfuck" to "Keep-Deep in Hodgepodge", because why not.
-The first map is now in a condition I can safely say is completely done. Nothing besides some texture fixing will be added to the map.
-Cooperative spawns for up to 8 players has been implemented into both maps. Deathmatch spawns will come at another time.

Hope you enjoy playing the newest map!

[IdiotBitz]

Got a little quickie update here (for the 7 people who actually see this). Got general fixes for some misaligned textures, added some swanky intermission screens like the one above this text (They change on each level), and added some behind the scenes stuff for the upcoming third map! (Whenever that comes out in like, 24 years.)

See the changelog in the OP for more info.

[IdiotBitz]

Another small update rolled out today. Just made some quality-of-life changes to both Map 1 and 2, and also a little behind-the-scene stuff.
Download is in OP, as usual.

Here's the changelog for v0.2.2.

-Fixed random textures.
-Replaced "windows" that were just impassable metal bars with actual transparent windows.
-Added some light variation to a certain part of Map 2.
-Added a secret exit to Map 1, however, since the secret map does not even exist yet it just leads to Map 2.
-Changed the way the teleporting worked for the "vent" areas in both Map 1 and 2.
-Removed car physics.
-Removed unused/unfinished/inaccessible level. Will be added once there's actually a way to access it without console commands.

Also, I've submitted a map for Jimmy's Joy of Mapping 4.
Be sure to check out JOM4 when it's released. The people working on it make great maps and should definitely get some attention.

[IdiotBitz]

Updated to v0.2.3. Get the link for the latest version in the OP, as usual.

This is just a minor update, really. Just adds text like the one in the picture above for every map. Also placed some placeholder stuff for some upcoming maps.

This will be the very last update for this until a new map is completed, or a devastating bug is reported.

Oh, and here's the list of changes stolen from the changelog in the OP.

-All maps now have Doom 1 skies.
-Added text to the beginning of each map that displays the name of map you're currently on and what Episode/Level you're on.
-Added 2 placeholder maps. One for the upcoming third level, and one for the first secret level. Both of these are unfinished, and the player is informed of this upon entering either map.
-Added more spicy midis for upcoming maps.

[SwiftFunk]

Noice maps. I would like to add these do work on Doom Touch as well. I like the lighting, colored switches, and the swimmible water and goo!

Keep it up!

[IdiotBitz]

Noice maps. I would like to add these do work on Doom Touch as well. I like the lighting, colored switches, and the swimmible water and goo!

Keep it up!

Thanks!

With the Doom Touch compatibility, there are a few things I am using in the unreleased v0.3 that aren't so friendly with it, like for example, the more recent "AddMenuOption". However, anything that would break Doom Touch compatibility has been moved to a separate optional file, so you will be able to continue playing the maps with no problem whenever I finish v0.3.

Also, I'm not quite sure, but there might be a couple UDMF features that may not be fully working on Doom Touch, specifically with certain lighting features, yet it should remain 100% complete-able. I could be wrong, but that's just what I could find in my testing.

EDIT: After testing some recent additions on Zandronum, I saw one of the more recent features I used made certain areas of the maps inaccessible. I'm working on a way around this.

EDIT2: I have found a fix for the problem, and have applied the fix to the maps accordingly. The problem was I had used line portals in multiple areas, mostly for some secrets, in order to seamlessly connect some of the areas. This is not available in Zandronum 3.0, so whenever you reached those spots, you'd be met with an impassable wall. I originally did not plan to, but I am going to push out a v0.2.4 because of this, since the problem also occurs in v0.2.3.

[SwiftFunk]

Thanks!

With the Doom Touch compatibility, there are a few things I am using in the unreleased v0.3 that aren't so friendly with it, like for example, the more recent "AddMenuOption". However, anything that would break Doom Touch compatibility has been moved to a separate optional file, so you will be able to continue playing the maps with no problem whenever I finish v0.3.

Also, I'm not quite sure, but there might be a couple UDMF features that may not be fully working on Doom Touch, specifically with certain lighting features, yet it should remain 100% complete-able. I could be wrong, but that's just what I could find in my testing.

EDIT: After testing some recent additions on Zandronum, I saw one of the more recent features I used made certain areas of the maps inaccessible. I'm working on a way around this.

Ahh, thats noice! As with locked areas, I haven't gotten all the way through yet, so I wouldn't know yet if there were locked off areas. I'll have to look.

[IdiotBitz]

i updated the mod because of a bug in zandronum i should have seen about a month ago but i was too busy not working on this to notice

check the original post for new links and info, as usual.

here's the changelog i stole from original post:

-Zandronum is now compatible again. Co-op players rejoice!
-Replaced all swimmable areas with actual 3D floors, allowing for transparent water/acid.
-Worked on the wip third map some more. Don't expect much.
-Generic monster balancing on map 2.
-Added more functionality to the mod by making an optional addon that gives you access to a menu which lets you tamper with the Skybox and Music, if you hate the ones I chose. (Only works on GZDoom, Zandronum don't like the "AddMenuOption".)
-Generic fixes to some areas.
-Raised two sector's floors above the acid area where the outdoor area is by 8.
-Moved 4 monsters into a room beside the room they originally resided in to make the gameplay of map 2 feel a bit more balanced.
-Worked on the mod for 2 days and ignored it's existence for another 30+ days.
-This version wasn't going to be released, if it weren't for the incompatibility with Zandronum on the previous release.

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Ahh, thats noice! As with locked areas, I haven't gotten all the way through yet, so I wouldn't know yet if there were locked off areas. I'll have to look.

The problem was mostly in secret areas, so you would not have seen the problem if going down the main path. Either way, mod's updated, so it's no longer a problem.