There will be BLOOD

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There will be BLOOD

Postby Doctor-Dos » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:45 pm

It has been almost a full year since a hard-drive crash took away my then almost completed Blood TC... :cry:

But time heals everything... I am back... I am gonna rebuild and finish the damn thing once and for all... :twisted:

So, once more, any features you would like to see in a new Blood Adventure?
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Enjay » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:49 pm

Doctor-Dos wrote:So, once more, any features you would like to see in a new Blood Adventure?

A system where the author of the adventure makes infallible backups of his data? :P

Seriously, it's just good to see that this is moving again.
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Doctor-Dos » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:59 pm

Yes, I have since learned Enjay... Thanks for rubbing it in...

If I must say without gloating... This is gonna be one heck of a cool mod...
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Doctor-Dos » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:11 pm

This is a horror type mod (obviously) and has some rather horrific stuff therein.

Which begs the question... What level of gore/horror are you comfortable with?
When is it considered "crossing the line" ???
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Enjay » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:20 pm

For me it would have to be pretty extreme to have crossed the line so, basically, anything within the normal limits of what you might expect in an 18+ game would be fine by me. However, if you start going out and torturing and murdering people then using their skinned corpses as the source material for textures whilst wearing a body-glove made of the freshly removed skin... well, that might be too far. ;)
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby NeuralStunner » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:24 pm

Enjay wrote:However, if you start going out and torturing and murdering people then using their skinned corpses as the source material for textures whilst wearing a body-glove made of the freshly removed skin...
Sounds like an average day at Activision.
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Enjay » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:26 pm

:lol:
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Doctor-Dos » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:30 pm

NeuralStunner wrote:Sounds like an average day at Activision.


Hmm... I was thinking Gearbox...
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Doctor-Dos » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:32 pm

Since we are on the subject about crossing the line... What about nudity?
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Enjay » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:41 pm

Personally, I have no problem with nudity that is consistent with the theme and aesthetics of the mod.
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Doctor-Dos » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:52 pm

I have been thinking about making it a bit more RPG in nature... (Think Strife)
In other words, decisions made during gameplay will effect the end result.

Any thoughts on this...
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Doctor-Dos » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:15 pm

I am also thinking along the lines of a past era (The first blood was 1920's).

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4d82YrKNP4M/T ... e+way.jpeg
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Matt » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:14 pm

Re: Crossing the line

I remember a while back SergeantMkIV stirred up a bit of controversy when he announced some Brutal Doom gore based on photos of real-life dead people, so that can reasonably be expected to be a line there. Respect for family and loved ones left behind and all that.


Personally, it's when the author starts celebrating violence against real people and either

a) it's not intended to be a joke, or
b) it's intended to be a "joke" but it's obvious they're just using that as an excuse to be seriously nasty to people who don't deserve it or can't effectively (including culturally, without being casually, systemically dismissed by the mainstream) fight back.

DN3D crossed that line with the alien rape stuff. (Might have been on this side of the line if the objective was to rescue people but as far as I could tell it was always just "oh look, bewbs ::fap:: ::destroy::"... and the mutilated corpses in the console versions was even worse for the connotations. (None of this, I should stress, has anything to do with nudity.)

Hypothetically a Wolfenstein mod where you played the enemy and there was a bonus level mowing down comical Jewish stereotypes would cross the line in similar but non-sexual ways. Well, let's be fair to DN3D, it wasn't anywhere that bad. More like, you're still Blaskowicz on the side of the not-more-evil guys, but the huge pile of corpses in the concentration camp you stumble into is full of dead people who look like comical Jewish stereotypes and when you hit the Use key B throws money at them to "honour" the dead. And the corpses can be gibbed. And the gib sprites are really hairy in some places and one of the gibs is a big hook nose--okay I'm going to stop right here.

Excessive cruelty to helpless opponents is there as well. (I find that Brutal Doom does not, despite having an explicit "cruelty bonus", do this - either an opponent is an actually useful human shield or your "cruely" is, ironically, putting them out of their misery!) Hypothetical example: Guy drops weapon and surrenders, you burn him to death with flamethrower.


As for mere visual gore, facial/skull/teeth stuff always squicks me the hell out though it's not usually a dealbreaker.


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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby RV-007 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:13 pm

Whatever it is, it is always a plus when in context.
Some examples are brutal conquerers of the past, old movies, and cultists.

Just make sure to keep the themes consistent. I don't want freaky out stuff going on (none of that cartoon calendar things).
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Re: There will be BLOOD

Postby Doctor-Dos » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:48 pm

RV-007 wrote:Whatever it is, it is always a plus when in context.
Some examples are brutal conquerers of the past, old movies, and cultists.
Just make sure to keep the themes consistent. I don't want freaky out stuff going on (none of that cartoon calendar things).


Cartoon Calendars? What is that?
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