[Community Sequel] [FINISHED] 40 Monsters Challenge

[Blue Shadow]

@CBM: how can I put this?... you're making way too many posts in this thread. You don't need to update the rest of the team on every bit of progress you make on your maps. And the screenshots, even though they're thumbnail-sized, the whole thing is countered by the fact that you post a lot of them.

So try to keep things under control, will you?

[CBM]

@CBM: how can I put this?... you're making way too many posts in this thread. You don't need to update the rest of the team on every bit of progress you make on your maps. And the screenshots, even though they're thumbnail-sized, the whole thing is countered by the fact that you post a lot of them.

So try to keep things under control, will you?

ok

[howeartistic]

@CBM: Man, just saw the progress on the temple, looks great! That is a ton of screenshots though, lmao!
We should make a hang thread for this project so we can share updates. Unless that already exists?

I've been trying to get myself into a map for the challenge. I've got 5 started, lol. I keep getting too into it and making a huge complex level. Anywho, the current one I'm really liking, would anyone wanna take a run through it? There's no monsters or items, just trying to get a nice flow through first. Stay safe, friendos!

[CBM]

@CBM: Man, just saw the progress on the temple, looks great! That is a ton of screenshots though, lmao!
We should make a hang thread for this project so we can share updates. Unless that already exists?

I've been trying to get myself into a map for the challenge. I've got 5 started, lol. I keep getting too into it and making a huge complex level. Anywho, the current one I'm really liking, would anyone wanna take a run through it? There's no monsters or items, just trying to get a nice flow through first. Stay safe, friendos!

thanks

the whole portal thing turned out to be problematic when line portals and 3d floors are combined so I did a sector portal in the aztek pyramid temple instead

just need to add spawn code and some more details then I can give our fearless leader an alpha release of that map

just hope my cs/call of duty/urban doom map will be just as good. I figured it could be fun to hunt demons in an urban setting

there is no hang out thread

[CBM]

first alpha for the new aztek pyramid temple map for slot 33 and
first alpha for the new monster city map for slot 34...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ppja91grgh0s ... 4.rar?dl=0

[howeartistic]

first alpha for the new aztek pyramid temple map for slot 33 and
first alpha for the new monster city map for slot 34...

Hey dude! Played both, unfortunately I couldn't get past the temple in aztec. Teleport broke? Also, left side of the stairs were missing a texture. I like the idea of the city, but it destroyed my frames, lmao. Maybe more doors and teleport monsters in so they don't all rush you at once? I'm excited to see more of both!

My tech hell factory thing is like... 50% done? I've got zombiemen placeholders atm, but I'd love feedback if anyone wants to give it a shot.

[Accensus]

Post it here or PM it to me. I may not be able to take a look immediately so please wait. Got some IRL things to take care of in the next few days.

[CBM]

first alpha for the new aztek pyramid temple map for slot 33 and
first alpha for the new monster city map for slot 34...

Hey dude! Played both, unfortunately I couldn't get past the temple in aztec. Teleport broke? Also, left side of the stairs were missing a texture. I like the idea of the city, but it destroyed my frames, lmao. Maybe more doors and teleport monsters in so they don't all rush you at once? I'm excited to see more of both!

My tech hell factory thing is like... 50% done? I've got zombiemen placeholders atm, but I'd love feedback if anyone wants to give it a shot.

thanks for the feedback, I will look at it, were you using gzdoom? because the portal works fine and I see no missing textures.. running map analysis to be sure though... also... runnning to fast makes you overshoot the entrance

Post it here or PM it to me. I may not be able to take a look immediately so please wait. Got some IRL things to take care of in the next few days.

wait for alpha 2 of my map 33 and 34

done.. alpha 2

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u9qay3z41q0mn ... 2.pk3?dl=0

changes:
aztek
* made lines behind entrance impassable so no overshoot can occur anymore
* checked whole map with map analyzer and fixed anything it found
monster city
* removed the multilevel 3D tower to improve FPS on potato rigs

[9Rifleman]

So, I have finished fixing my maps, with the exception of 36, where I found a problem and I need your input on this, Accensus. No rush though.

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As you probably noticed, whenever the player gets a keycard, he is then teleported back to the start to start a new challenge. I set the key script to always execute(the script is primitive, just teleports the activator to a map spot), and even tried to add the INVENTORY.ALWYASPICKUP flag to it, thinking it will just work for all players in MP. But alas, it seems it does not(only the first player is teleported, others just pick up the key, but due to the nature of the map they get stuck in the room.) and I have no idea how to fix this outside of major rework of several areas. The design document states that puzzle-specific maps do not have to have MP starts, and allows for observers instead. I searched around, but couldn't find anything about setting up observers, so I believe it's just a server setting before game starts.

What do you think would be the best approach to tackle this?

[CBM]

So, I have finished fixing my maps, with the exception of 36, where I found a problem and I need your input on this, Accensus. No rush though.

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As you probably noticed, whenever the player gets a keycard, he is then teleported back to the start to start a new challenge. I set the key script to always execute(the script is primitive, just teleports the activator to a map spot), and even tried to add the INVENTORY.ALWYASPICKUP flag to it, thinking it will just work for all players in MP. But alas, it seems it does not(only the first player is teleported, others just pick up the key, but due to the nature of the map they get stuck in the room.) and I have no idea how to fix this outside of major rework of several areas. The design document states that puzzle-specific maps do not have to have MP starts, and allows for observers instead. I searched around, but couldn't find anything about setting up observers, so I believe it's just a server setting before game starts.

What do you think would be the best approach to tackle this?

would you mind testing maps 33 and 34 for me?

[Accensus]

So, I have finished fixing my maps, with the exception of 36, where I found a problem and I need your input on this, Accensus. No rush though.

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As you probably noticed, whenever the player gets a keycard, he is then teleported back to the start to start a new challenge. I set the key script to always execute(the script is primitive, just teleports the activator to a map spot), and even tried to add the INVENTORY.ALWYASPICKUP flag to it, thinking it will just work for all players in MP. But alas, it seems it does not(only the first player is teleported, others just pick up the key, but due to the nature of the map they get stuck in the room.) and I have no idea how to fix this outside of major rework of several areas. The design document states that puzzle-specific maps do not have to have MP starts, and allows for observers instead. I searched around, but couldn't find anything about setting up observers, so I believe it's just a server setting before game starts.

What do you think would be the best approach to tackle this?

One solution is to use https://zdoom.org/wiki/TeleportInSector. The other involves giving the players custom TIDs on map start, which I recall has numerous problems with compatibility so let's not do that.

As for the observing part, you can take a look at 20MCP's MAP42. Try opening it in local co-op and have one player go through the teleporter. The giant cinema screen will turn into a camera that follows the player doing the maze. It was the first makeshift solution I could think of at the time.

[howeartistic]

Hey y'all! So, here's my progress. I have to polish textures, tweak monsters and items, and finish the last room (it's just a placeholder for the moment, I like to leave it til last and crank er to 11).
I would love your thoughts on it. Oh, I guess the mutator is one colour, I may add damaging floors (floor is lava), but not sure.
I've been having a blast so far! Stay safe, my dudes!

I call it "Refined Tastes".

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NHo3OL ... sp=sharing

[CBM]

awaiting test of my alpha 2 version of maps 33 and 34

[9Rifleman]

@CBM:

would you mind testing maps 33 and 34 for me?

I did try them. They seem to be on a good way. Some remarks below:

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33: The pyramid looks really nice. I loved the rooms with green water and rotating doors - though hey could be wee bit faster I think. The super secret room feels overstocked, since most of the monsters are the weak ones. I didn't get stuck anywhere and it played nice and easy. The exit felt a bit out of place and the ammo in the exit rooms seems unnecessary, but I assume it's WIP

34: This one gives me a MAP16 from Doom 2 vibe. Starting in the middle of a town, there are monsters in every direction, and you can start however you like. Great! Verticality is very nice, seems there could be some roof fights soo. Right now it is kinda barebones though, but I can imagine decorating a town can't be easy. The last print message is shown to late to read(the exit one), player has to check the log to read how good he is

Both played nicely. Nice verticality and some details, but need polishing. Haven't tried if there were difficulty settings, but if not, I'd probably use more stronger monsters, it's mostly the basic ones and you can mow them quite quickly.

@howe:

While I was at it, I tried yours too:

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Gave me strong Quake 1 vibe at places, I love this kind of metallic/gory setting. Just like your first map, the complexity and verticality is great. It all feels connected, you can see other parts of the map...so nice. I noticed you started using some UDMF features, like slopes in windows. The map felt almost ready, fun to play. You have too many monsters though

@Accensus:

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I think I've devised an acceptable hybrid solution. And I used it for 'story' as well. So at the beginning all players except Player 1 get a message that only 'one champion may take the trials' and are teleported away( so they don't take up space) and at the same moment their camera is switched to Player 1, so they see everything as he does. But towards the end, once Player 1 finishes all trials, they get teleported to Player 1 so they can help him tackle the end fight. I assigned the TID to players using Thing_ChangeTID through ENTER script(player tids 700-703), but if need be, I suppose I could figure out a script to assign TIDs and avoid this.

The other suggestions did not work for me, mostly due to map constraints.

[Accensus]

I assigned the TID to players using Thing_ChangeTID through ENTER script(player tids 700-703), but if need be, I suppose I could figure out a script to assign TIDs and avoid this.

You basically did just that. :P
Honestly it's been so long since I last encountered an issue with player TIDs that I don't even remember what went wrong back then, so let's keep this solution until it breaks.