English thread. Why not?

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Re: English thread. Why not?

Postby Enjay » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:26 pm

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Re: English thread. Why not?

Postby NeuralStunner » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:02 pm

(Late reply.)
Graf Zahl wrote:
Gez wrote:It's basic grammar,
... which I can tell from my own experiences at school a lot of people have difficulty comprehending.
I've always wanted to learn German, and i laugh whenever I see English speakers talking about how horrible it is.

English has a massive list of spelling and grammar rules which it's constantly breaking. Take the old rhyme*: "I before E, except after C, unless [list of exceptions]". Or the completely arbitrary rules of doubling consonants for suffices: "vetted", "targetted". (The latter is "incorrect" in US English, at least.) Somehow I doubt things would get any better if I switched to UK English... it's probably suffered a lot of backwash from its Colonial derivation.

... Anyway, I try not to be too hard on non-native speakers. Still amusing being told "bare with me" though. We hardly know each other, sir. :P


* Fun fact: The correct spelling is "rime". It only got that weird R-H-Y thing through association with the word "rhythm".
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Re: English thread. Why not?

Postby Enjay » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:38 am

English is a mess (an entertaining and fascinating one), having gotten so many words from so many places and, as you say, backwash from colonial derivations etc etc.

just another few quick examples:

Context is everything...
I am going to row a boat. (row rhymes with oh)
I am going to have a row with my wife. (row rhymes with cow)

Alternatives...
Swap and swop are both acceptable and mean the same thing.

ough...
Through
Though
Thought
Rough
Cough
Bough

all spelled with ough but all have a different sound
(oo, oh, aught, uff, off, ow respectively)
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Re: English thread. Why not?

Postby Reactor » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:53 am

Heh, be thankful English is already evolved from that "Ye Olde Englishe" what I mentioned before! Now THAT was a total mess indeed, with all those runic letters and confusing vowels before The Great Vowel Shift! Having to learn a few minimal pairs is much easier :)
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Re: English thread. Why not?

Postby Reactor » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:01 pm

A little help would be required :) What's the key difference between "compulsory", "obligatory" and "mandatory"? Hungarian language has only 1 word for all of these. It's something similar like the "obtain-acquire-grab" was?
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Re: English thread. Why not?

Postby NeuralStunner » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:11 pm

The way I understand it:
Compulsory: Required by force or threat.*
Obligatory: Required by honor, etiquette, or prior agreement.
Mandatory: Required by rule or law.

Giving the mugger your money is compulsory. Paying your waiter a tip is obligatory. Paying your taxes is mandatory (and to an extent compulsory :P ).

* I've often seen rules/policies referred to as "compulsory". It makes little sense in that context, unless the rule is stupid to begin with.
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Re: English thread. Why not?

Postby Reactor » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:13 pm

I see, so there is indeed a difference between! Looks like I'm gonna have to correct some of the literature I wrote. The only common thing is "necessity" in them.
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Re: English thread. Why not?

Postby Gez » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:18 am

You can look at the related words: compulsion, obligation, mandate.
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