[Community Project] 20 Monsters Challenge [RELEASED!]

[Tapwave]

Also, if you downloaded the mappack a couple minutes before Lud posted, redownload it! We had a minor planning hiccup that made us release a slightly incomplete build, but we quickly caught sight of it.
All in all, I'm really happy this is finally out! Hope you guys will have as much fun as I did with it!

[unRyker]

I know what I'm playing tomorrow! I really had a great time mapping and working with everyone who participated in this project. Lots of fun were had in the Discord, but the team effort and communication alone was what made this project breathe. I sat and played a more supportive role doing really minor, almost insignificant adjustments to the project while everyone else (Lud, Tapwave, BillGuy, leodoom85, Zero X. Diamond and more!) really went all out. Hopefully everyone, this was worth the wait. I'll have fun with the release, and I hope you do too!

[Voltcom9]

Congrats on the release of this! This really was a fun project to map for and I have to say the maps really turned out quite well for such a high volume of submissions. I'm looking forward to mapping again with you guys on future projects!

[Accensus]

Thank you! There probably will be future projects. With plot, too! Take that, boring megawads that don't even replace crawl texts! Storyline is an important part of gameplay. Even Doom gets boring if you just shoot and shoot and shoot... Storyline add a bit of reason why you're shooting, I guess.

[Voltcom9]

Something I've been playing around with was Hub mapping, where a key in one map could be used in another map accessed through a central Hub. Think like Hexen where you needed to hit switches and collect keys to activate or unlock areas in the main area. My Hub mapping has been fairly minimal but it could really make for an immersive gameplay experience I think. Although making a series of interconnected maps with different map authors could turn into an utter terror if not closely watched.

Anyways, I'm really happy this project has finally released and right before Christmas to boot.

[NAG]

Well done for putting it all together so quickly! I look forward to playing this over the holidays.

[FishyClockwork]

This project was a great excuse to finally make some release-worthy maps. It was fun and surprising that they turned out so well. (The first map in particular I was worried it might really, really suck.)

It was a boost to my self esteem. So, thanks for that.
And I've enjoyed our little chats and arguments on Discord as well. (No hard feelings. )

@Voltcom9 Hub mapping sounds like fun. It doesn't have to be utter terror as long as the guidelines about mapping and plot are "set in stone" more or less and enforced.

[Accensus]

We might try it, but for hub mapping to happen the mappers must communicate. Communication is why this thing went live. Communication is why there is progress. You don't talk, things become slow and tension rises, which eventually makes people quit.

As for the rules, this project was a leadership failure by my book, mostly because of the rapid change of rules and even the whole project's goal. Next project, whenever that is, will have nearly all details planned in advance, long before it goes live.

This was as much of a lesson as it was fun. Arguments have broken out, jokes have been made, a need meme has been created, a good time has definitely been had.

But don't think it's over. The ZDoom Forums will see more limit-removing projecs in the future.

We'll be back.

[Vostyok]

Rob Zombie for launch trailer.
+1 bro points for that. I approve.
Playing this when I get back home. Hopefully give some feedback, since I haven't played all of these yet. Excitement level >9000 !1!!!!!!11111!

[ZikShadow]

Been playing this, haven't finished it yet but so far i really like it!
Though i'm getting a bit something here.

There seems to be "technically" WAY more than 20 monsters in Map09 (with the resurrecting monsters, don't they count as infinite since they never die?), was it intentional or did the project allow for such bend in rules?

Guess that's why the name of the map is Crimes...

[Accensus]

Yeah, we noticed that, too. Kinsie will be Kinsie, I guess. I allow this one act of, well, crime. It's 100% intentional, I can tell you this much. Project didn't really allow it, tbh, but I'll close my eyes for that map. It's certainly beatable, though. While sadistic, it's not impossible.

[Vostyok]

Probably a good idea Pain Elemental was prohibited. The amount of abuse that thing would have seen would have contravened international peace laws.

[Accensus]

I now know two people who won't be playing the next project.

[UnTrustable]

Probably a good idea Pain Elemental was prohibited. The amount of abuse that thing would have seen would have contravened international peace laws.

Why?
I can change the pain elemental so that he only spawn 2 or at most 3 lost souls...?
And that will be the MAXimum of this abuse-possibility. max 23 monsters in 1 map...

[Caligari87]

The idea was 20 monsters per level, period. If a pain elemental were allowed, some mappers would have used many of them to spam lost souls above the limit, and some players don't have "limit pain elementals" enabled. As-is, one map circumvents the rule (in a really mean way) by continuously resurrecting dead monsters because ACS wasn't disallowed.