Is Metroid: Other M THAT bad?

[Viscra Maelstrom]

yeah, i'm sure the Prime series were done after Metroid, too, but before Metroid 2. so things like the Ridley PTSD scene makes little sense, as at that point, Ridley has been blown to pieces about 5 times by yours truly bounty hunter (i don't know if you do that in Hunters too, nor do i really intend to find out, thanks to the abysmal controls.)

[Ghastly]

Ah, okay, I thought it was even before the first game. I knew it was before Super Metroid though.

[MetroidJunkie]

This time's different, Ridley was completely destroyed and the Space Pirates along with him. How was Samus supposed to know the Galactic Federation accidentally cloned him off of blood they collected from her suit? For all she knew in that moment, Ridley could just be immortal or something. No matter what, always coming back to haunt her. It would make sense that this would cause Samus to feel as helpless as she did when she had to watch Ridley kill her parents.

[Viscra Maelstrom]

that plot-point is dumb though since it comes out of nowhere. Samus showed no sign of hesitation fighting Ridley in the past. if she developed PTSD after Ridley killing her parents when she were young, it should have showed up before. it was added in for the sake of drama, and it shows.

[MetroidJunkie]

Read what I put again, this was the first time where it seemed Ridley was gone for good because the Space Pirates were wiped out, nothing left to bring him back in any form whatsoever. Then he comes back, no cybernetics, just 100% Ridley.

[Jaxxoon R]

Didn't he already come back in Super and Prime perfectly fine?

[Shadelight]

Yeah, by Other M he's been defeated about four times. So this plot point, again, makes no sense.

[Viscra Maelstrom]

yes, you could argue that it's a mechanical reconstruction of Ridley, but the Prime games themselves state that this is THE Ridley, cybernetically enhanced by the Space Pirates after having been defeated in the first Metroid game. it makes no sense. it was added in for the sake of drama, but it's a giant plot hole since Samus' feelings about Ridley isn't even remotely discussed in previous games. i'm not sure why you'd even care to defend this plot point because of how out of the way it is (alongside the game as a whole.)

[Clownman]

I thought I did hear something long ago that supposedly in order for Other M to be "canon" one would have to retcon the Prime games, but even then - She helps the Federation in Fusion so... WTF? Nothing makes sense. I'm willing to agree that It's better for people to retcon Other M's story instead as not canon, Because Sakamoto's vision isn't what everyone else believes in. And for the imfamous Ridley Scene, Samus had pretty much killed Ridley twice in a row by then so why would you be freaking out the third time? Even in Prime when she first encounters Meta-Ridley VIA cutscene in the prologue - She just gives a rather pissed off look, She didn't have a breakdown.

I brought this up before, but Toru Iwatani didn't throw a fit when Pac-Man was made a Family-Man escue character as opposed to a Child-Innocence like one as he imagined. Sakamoto (And Miyamoto) should take more influence from that man IMO.

...The reason I mention Miyamoto is because of how he is so aggressively against story for Mario games, but I'm getting kind of off-topic, Back with our Metroid-Related topic now.

[MetroidJunkie]

Didn't he already come back in Super and Prime perfectly fine?

I'm gonna repeat myself and I'll put it in bold and underline it for emphasis, the space pirates were wiped out after Super so they weren't around to even attempt to bring him back. The Galactic Federation did by accident, something Samus couldn't have known about. Prime isn't considered canon to the series but, even in that, he was brought back as mostly a machine so he was hardly 'perfectly fine'.



Sakamoto's problem was that he was stubborn, insisting on doing everything his way. Team Ninja wanted to use the nunchuck to improve the controls but he refused, somehow thinking that NES controls were suitable for a modern 3D game.

[Jaxxoon R]

the space pirates were wiped out after Super so they weren't around to even attempt to bring him back. The Galactic Federation did by accident, something Samus couldn't have known about.

So? He's already come back before from being exploded and then the planet he was exploded on being exploded. It's just this time instead of either being intentionally patched back together as a robit by space locusts [ohwoopsnotcannonanymore] or just being better for no definitively established reason like in Super, it was done through sheer incompetence by an organization established to be fucking around with bioweapons. If the why of him being alive actually mattered or was the reason for her panic, it should have been established, but instead she simply sees him and goes "Oh no a Ridley exists!"

[Devianteist]

I'm generally of the opinion that M:OM is Sakamoto's way of telling fans to fuck off and that he can do whatever he damn well pleases with Metroid, and that... That is not good.

[amv2k9]

*RE: Ridley*

Ridley in Prime 1 is definitely the one from Metroid 1; there's a Pirate Data log that states "...after his defeat on Zebes..." So they didn't grow another one. As for Ridley in Prime 3... we just don't know. The data entry for Ridley there just explains his capabilities, nothing about whether this is the same Ridley from Metroid 1 & Prime 1 or not.

[MetroidJunkie]

So? He's already come back before from being exploded and then the planet he was exploded on being exploded. It's just this time instead of either being intentionally patched back together as a robit by space locusts [ohwoopsnotcannonanymore] or just being better for no definitively established reason like in Super, it was done through sheer incompetence by an organization established to be fucking around with bioweapons. If the why of him being alive actually mattered or was the reason for her panic, it should have been established, but instead she simply sees him and goes "Oh no a Ridley exists!"

So who would have brought back Ridley if not for the Galactic Federation? Please explain how a group that was literally wiped out entirely could possibly have pulled off such a feat. They weren't going to have more than one Ridley flying around, why in the hell would they have two commanders? That would only cause a power struggle. Him coming back was a fluke that literally nobody thought was possible because, if the GF wasn't stupid and started cloning whatever blood they could find laying on Samus' suit, it would have been impossible.

I'm generally of the opinion that M:OM is Sakamoto's way of telling fans to fuck off and that he can do whatever he damn well pleases with Metroid, and that... That is not good.

He certainly took that tone with Team Ninja, whom actually wanted to make changes to make M:OM more bearable like using Nun-Chuck controls, Sakamoto refused. There are people who blame Team Ninja on how the game turned out but they fail to realize that Sakamoto was in charge of the whole thing, TN had to go along with his orders.

[Jaxxoon R]

it was done through sheer incompetence by an organization established to be fucking around with bioweapons.

Read carefully. Your questions have little to nothing to do with what I've actually written.