Zion V08 WIP

[TheCrimsonFucker]

Remember, this is still in its alpha stage, and it's only 1/3 completed. And the upgrade system in D4D doesn't exactly faithfully recreate DOOM's upgrade system, since they use credits instead of Weapon Upgrade Points and Praetor Suit Tokens. These guys are trying to make things a little more faithful to DOOM.

Patience is a virtue. You should attempt to utilize it. When it happens, it happens. That's all you need to know for now.

Yeah, D4D team did not make Weapon Upgrades Points and Praetor Suit Token because it was a part of single player company. Therefore would be required to recreate whole SP company. D4D like arcade mode of original doom with a lot of elements of new-doom. So I thought that Zion would be something like D4D but with a much more content from the new-doom.

[TheCamaleonMaligno]

last update ­:P

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[DoomKrakken]

WHOA.

Wait, does this mean that we can expect the stable release really soon? Or is it simply the last thing you're doing for this?

[TheCamaleonMaligno]

I'm still working on the mod, but i'll stop uploading zion updates(videos) on my YT channel for a while

[DoomKrakken]

Ok.

[TheCrimsonFucker]

New version will appear before or after New Year?

[DoomKrakken]

Why not just wait and see what happens?

[TheCrimsonFucker]

Why not just wait and see what happens?

Nope, not my style

[DoomKrakken]

But of course. Though it doesn't hurt to try something new every once in a while...

[TheCrimsonFucker]

But of course. Though it doesn't hurt to try something new every once in a while...

Let me tell you a little secret - I'm a geek and tried everything.

Anyway. SAHZALPABAEL very rarely respond to comments on modb. And i decided to write my opinion about some features of the mod here.

TCF - Maybe make pinky faster and give two abilities. First it's a charge like in new doom and second it is leaping. It's something like in "insanity's brutality" - pinky demon jumping for short-middle distance to player.
SAHZ - Noted!

Ok, but pinky charge easily countered even in D4 too. All you need is calculate time for double jump or stop them by using grenade mod for combat shotgun.

TCF - Replace backpacks by field drone. When player hit the field drone he will be destroyed but after that he will drop random upgrade for weapon or use field drone to choose upgrade before destroying. And in addition to weapon mod drone will drop some of ammo or armor.
SAHZ - Backpacks will be replaced by argent cells, ive come to really love the random mod drops tho but the drone will be added.

As far as I understand argent cells will be used for praetor suit upgrade. But it's a bad idea in may opinion because on the levels of original doom and doom 2, backpacks, or too much or too few, and sometimes they are absolutely is not present on the level. And my idea about replacing by field drones is not good for reasons which i wrote before. The thing is that the guys working on D4D. Make a good and most importantly, universal system of weapon and armor improvement. But i have alternative idea - upgrades via combat points to gain 5 combat point you need to kill all monster on level and gain more points from each secret on the level like if i'm not mistaken.

TCF - Maybe use new doom-soldier arms and legs to make a early alpha of glory kills like in D4D.
SAHZ - already done.

I am burning with expectations

TCF - Add effects from brutal doom(ragdoll effects and water/dust/acid effects)
SAHZ - Id love to add the ragdoll effects but well be using alot of custom sprites so no, but the world effects will be added in a later update.

I know BD have a very big hate-base but this effects is very cool made.

TCF - Reduce health points of arachnotrons, because they are too hardy.
SAHZ - no...in fact, all the monsters are getting a health boost >:D

Why? When i played I spent a lot of ammo killing arachnotrons. If all monsters will be overbuffed like that it will be not very cool. All because of a low maximum number of ammunition in the original Doom 4.

TCF - Add monster sprites from doom 3(temporarily, until you will rip monsters from D4) with one change - take Zanieon Hell Knight - Forum.zdoom.org and Baron of Hell - Forum.zdoom.org sprites with movesets of new doom(like leap with right hand or both hands and etc.).
SAHZ - they would look weird, Zanieons stuff is great tho, id like to use the 3D D4 monsters hes making lol.

I don't understand, Zanieon works with Zion team and makes monsters sprites for you or what?

P.S. What means "tho"?

[Deii]

@TheCrimsonFucker

It's a shortened version of though.

[DoomKrakken]

Not what I meant, TCF. That's not trying something new... that's doing the same thing over and over again. You're still suggesting a whole bunch of things too constantly. The "new thing" I was implying you could do was that you could at least try waiting a lot longer than 5 days for a status update.

[TheCrimsonFucker]

Not what I meant, TCF. That's not trying something new... that's doing the same thing over and over again. You're still suggesting a whole bunch of things too constantly. The "new thing" I was implying you could do was that you could at least try waiting a lot longer than 5 days for a status update.

It seems we do not understand each other, I do not ask and even more so do not demand a precise release date of anything. I just want to know how long I can forget all this and go back to my usual business. Also I do not impose my thoughts and opinions. I just suggest ideas and express my opinion about the ideas of others. Whether to accept a somebody into consideration my ideas or opinions about anything is a personal matter of anyone.

[DoomKrakken]

I'm not saying you're imposing stuff at all.

You can forget all this and go back to your usual business right now, if you'd like. It won't get here any sooner. You can come back when it gets released. The forum topic is usually updated when that happens, so that's when you'll know it's released.

[Wolfbrf]

Cool mod, but the monsters sprite never suit the weapons. Maybe d64 monsters or ever doom3 monsters can replace the old ones.

A mix with this weapons, doom64 monsters and hd Textures can be perfect.
https://youtu.be/nHv4jOgJyNc
I just miss zion guns om this vídeo, hehe