ZDoom 2.8.0 and ACC 1.55 released

[Blzut3]

What distro performs these checks? This is the first I'm seeing or hearing about these problems in the years I've been making the packages like this.

[allcaps]

Xubuntu 15.10

The readout I posted is given to you by the software center gui, but just using dpkg in a terminal doesn't complain. Though I did actually check in the /usr/bin folder and sure enough the files end up owned by my user account instead of root, which is not right.

The .desktop that gets created is also flagged as executable, which is also not right. The ownership is also set to 1000:1000 when it should be root instead. The .png icon you install is also marked as executable.

Depending on how your system's users/groups are numbered user 1000 could be anybody, or nobody. Same for group 1000. The short version of the problem is that pretty much all the files in the package are owned by user/group 1000, when they should be owned by 0, which is root.

After chowning all the files to their proper owner:group (root:root) everything works fine. I mean it worked fine before, but it isn't right/secure. Especially on a system that doens't have user:group 1000, you end up with unowned files, which is a security problem.

Aside from that the release is pretty fucking bangin', I have to say.

[Nash]

At this stage it's unrelated. No actual syntax exists for the VM yet other than the function blocks in decorate. It'll depend on if the eventual syntax is capable of handling it in a way that won't fall apart if the chain is changed mid function (for example an actor is removed or spawned mid iteration).

That's not a yes or a no, I understood nothing by reading all that. :S

I'm just going to assume that eventually modders will get some kind of low level access (because this is what was advertised with DoomScript, back in 1999) so maybe there'll be better ways to go through actors than using for loops in ACS with TIDs. But I don't know anything, that's why I asked my original question.

[edward850]

The answer is that there is no answer. The VM by itself has little to do with the ability to iterate a volatile list.

[Nash]

Right. Anyway, found this cool little nugget of information from the past, I hope this will come into fruition eventually. :D

[Graf Zahl]

Just a generic question, I don't know the internal workings so just answer as a simple yes or no.

Will the scripting technology eventually allow you to iterate through actors without using TIDs in ACS? One of the biggest problems with anything ACS-based for now is having to assign TIDs just to count through and iterate through a group of actors (completely undesirable if the monsters already have TIDs assigned as part of map design).

Without such a feature, it'd be unsuitable to replace native code which is the long term plan.

[MTrop]

Will there be a 2.8.1 bugfix release? There have been several things fixed since 2.8.0 that would be great to have in the next official (stable) build.

[ibm5155]

I have an idea for a "UniqueId", there's no need to use tids or tags but, if something in the map has changed, the uniqueid will change :X

[randi]

Will the scripting technology eventually allow you to iterate through actors without using TIDs in ACS?

Of course. You'll be able to refer to objects directly instead of obliquely via IDs.

No actual syntax exists for the VM yet other than the function blocks in decorate.

Not quite true. See zcc-parse.lemon. It doesn't generate code yet, but it does mostly generates an AST.

Will there be a 2.8.1 bugfix release?

Yes, probably this weekend.

---

I have an idea for a "UniqueId"

[Nash]

Of course. You'll be able to refer to objects directly instead of obliquely via IDs.

Will this interface be possible only via ZScript, or can I use it from ACS too? Like... let's say I wanted to write a compass that blits the enemies' positions to the screen. The old way requires every monster to have TIDs.

[Graf Zahl]

No, ACC is too primitive for that.

[Nash]

That's what I thought... then what about drawing 2D stuff to the screen? I'd rather ditch ACS for those kinds of things to be honest.

[Graf Zahl]

Hopefully a new scripting system is open enough to handle that part of the game, too. The more general the language, the better the chance.

[Graf Zahl]

So I see, 2.8.1 is already online but linked nowhere? What gives?

[Edward-san]

Funnily enough I already got version 2.8.1 with the debian packages!