Windows 10

[XanderK9]

Sorry for barging in, but I have to say this: Windows 10 is messed up. Doesn't allow good antivirus support. Glitchy, like Vista. In my opinion, I stay with 8.1 as its support ends.

How Windows 10 is messed up? Also, It depends what you mean by "good antivirus support" since Most major antivirus software are supporting Windows 10, after all. And then again, glitchy how?

[Scripten]

Well, I've noticed that the Start menu and taskbar occasionally stop working until a restart, which is pretty annoying. Also have had my sounds cut out randomly, with no justification that I can find. Probably something in the sound drivers, but I wasn't ever able to figure it out.

[wildweasel]

Well, I've noticed that the Start menu and taskbar occasionally stop working until a restart, which is pretty annoying. Also have had my sounds cut out randomly, with no justification that I can find. Probably something in the sound drivers, but I wasn't ever able to figure it out.

I had the problem with the sounds myself on my laptop. Apparently it is a known glitch with Realtek HD Audio drivers, that cannot be fixed by updating because Windows 10 will just automatically revert the drivers back to the ones on Windows Update which are broken.

[edward850]

Then this is the tool for you: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

[XanderK9]

That's weird. I actually had the start menu glitch with Windows 8 and not with 10 and I wasn't aware of the Realtek driver issue until now.

And as far I know, Windows Updates have not replaced drivers I have installed myself yet, so I guess I'm still good. XD

[Graf Zahl]

that cannot be fixed by updating because Windows 10 will just automatically revert the drivers back to the ones on Windows Update which are broken.

This driver updating nonsense is what's keeping me from using Windows 10. Microsoft really needs to fix that so that it performs proper driver version checking before nuking a newer version.

[Rachael]

I have many bones to pick with Windows 10, the driver issues being the least of which. I am quite happy with 8.1 and I am going to stay with it until 10 becomes less of a quagmire, even if I lose out on my free upgrade.

It is troubling to know that for all the positive press that Microsoft has received for finally listening to consumers, they are still being stubborn on things and making philosophically similar mistakes as they already made during Windows 8's development. And I am hugely not a fan of the keylogger that has been receiving a lot of bad press in Windows 10 - I am just waiting for the inevitable day when a malware author finds a clever no-install way to redirect its output to their own site and start hacking bank accounts with it.

I also really do not like how the new start screen (if you enable it) is vertically scrolling instead of horizontal scrolling like in Windows 8. For all the love and hate for 8's start screen, I still find it a whole lot better than both the start menu and the start screen in Windows 10. The only thing that I *do* like about it is you can actually switch "tablet mode" on or off - which is amazing if you have a touch screen.

Oh, and those updates that bring 8.1 in-line with those privacy invading features? I may have, uh, "missed" those. >_>

[Oberron]

How Windows 10 is messed up? Also, It depends what you mean by "good antivirus support" since Most major antivirus software are supporting Windows 10, after all. And then again, glitchy how?

I stay on 8.1 because it has annoying glitches like a defaultuser bug, Some programs, on Windows 10, screw up how matter you try. It will tick you off, and got yourself hit with a brick, because it doesn't work fine.

[Dark-Assassin]

I feel like I'm one of the lucky few who don't have problems with it, after a few minor tweaks of course. And I'm still on one of the first release builds (IDK how to update that).

[darkhaven3]

Windows 10 works great for me. Pretty much anyone not using a Radeon card is gonna have a good time, as long as you make sure you get the Professional edition of Windows 10 so that you can avoid the forced automatic updates. This is very easy to do, because the Windows 10 update utility does not check to see if you have a legitimate version of Windows Professional, only that you have a legitimate version of Windows. To anyone looking to update: make sure you spoof your version of Windows to "Professional" or better before updating, to ensure you have total control of your PC like you're supposed to have.

[Graf Zahl]

Well, I go by the age-old premise of 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it!'

I needed to update to Windows 8.1 because with 7 there is no way to develop software for the Windows Store which I need to do professionally. Aside from that I would have stayed with 7 easily.
10 is not really necessary, the VS2015 emulators also work on 8.1, and since I use Classic Shell (with the Win95 start menu style, which means I have been using it on 7, too) no problems with the shitty start screen, which I virtually never open.
I'll install 10 only if absolutely necessary, not before. It's funny - they fired Ballmer as CEO because he messed up so much, his successor promises he'll fix things but then let the goons turn Win 10 into a poison pill.

[Siberian Tiger]

It's funny - they fired Ballmer as CEO because he messed up so much, his successor promises he'll fix things but then let the goons turn Win 10 into a poison pill.

Actually it's not really Ballmer, but instead it would be this guy that led Windows 8 and onwards to its debacle - if you will. I am not exactly sure where Nadella is going with Microsoft, but he sure made a lot of changes once he stepped into the field.

Edit:
Also, Ballmer was never fired. He instead stepped down as a CEO, dismissing any politics - as I am not sure if the board said he should or he gracefully stepped down.

[Rachael]

To anyone looking to update: make sure you spoof your version of Windows to "Professional" or better before updating, to ensure you have total control of your PC like you're supposed to have.

Win 10 Pro does not give you total control over your PC like you might think it does. The only differences between Home and Pro versions, actually, is better MMC tools, domain stuff, and being able to shut down forced updates (which can be done multiple ways on 10 Home, anyway), plus a few networking tools (including RDP) that can be turned on in Home with third-party applications anyway.

10 Pro still has in-built spyware though, the same stuff that was forced out to 7, 8, and 8.1 in recent updates following 10's release.

I'm all for "customer improvement" programs until they start hijacking my data without my permission. Then we have a problem.

[edward850]

People are still yet to actually prove this spyware remotely exists. All I've seen is tinfoil hat stuff about "MUH DATA!", most of which from people using Live IDs which of course needs login information with a server.

To clarify: Windows does collect telemetry data, however it always had. While I wouldn't rule out telemetry data extending to collecting information about installed programs (like Steam does with its hardware surveys) seeing as there is no complete description of what it does, but certainly think anything on par with a keylogger is both too extreme and a little far fetched. There are a lot of people using Windows 10, and anything you collect you have to both be able to receive in a timely manner, but also store. The infrastructure just doesn't match some of the rash claims.

[Rachael]

Well, maybe you're right, it's been a while since I've done research on the topic and my most recent attempt at it has actually pointed to articles dispelling those rumors.

When Windows 10 starts becoming more customizable though - I'll probably switch then - but before that happens I really don't know. I still feel that, like Windows 8, things were being forced on me that I didn't want, which is why it took me forever to upgrade to Windows 8. But now, I can change the windows just the way I want, have both a start menu and a start screen with Windows 8, and now that I am used to 8's Start Screen, I hate 10's a lot, mostly because I am used to 8's. It would be nice if 10 included options to make it more like 8's.