An open letter to the ZDoom community regarding drama

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Hellser wrote:Imagine if people started to call us by our avatar? There's three Doctors on ZDoom; Gooberman, Xaser and myself.
Let's go by numbers.

Wait. You other two are both 10.

This also would have meant "war" is a valid number.

Ignore everything I just said, it is wrong.
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Trance wrote:Some arguments and fights are still going to happen. But by not letting the drama spill into other people's discussion you'll be helping to prevent a small thing from becoming a much bigger thing.

The best way to fight the community's tendency to perpetuate drama is to lead by example. This is advice that applies to almost everyone following this thread. Make Eleanor proud.
Right. The problem is, all parties have to be willing to do this - If they want to stir the fire, no amount of asking nicely is going to work, and no amount of forceful moderation is going to help. (Look at how well this went when it first went down. Frankly I'm surprised it's pretty much working.) Sadly, "lead by example" does little good when they've already decided beforehand that your example is stupid. (A situation I've been in before.)
GooberMan wrote:Ignore everything I just said, it is wrong.
Nice to see you being willing to admit this. ;)

I for one am totally okay being associated by my O'Neill avatar. That's why I have several different ones!
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Then us with people as avatars should have variations once in a while. I will think about it. :D

(That goes for you too, Caligari.)
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undead003 wrote:Then us with people as avatars should have variations once in a while. I will think about it. :D
Since the point is to be recognizable, it can be jarring if it changes too much. Imagine if people you knew IRL had different faces and voices every few weeks. I know that Nash tried a few times to use a different avatar, and general dismay was expressed until he returned to the cactaur.

Hell, when I change mine to something new, it takes a while to recognize my own posts. :lol:
undead003 wrote:(That goes for you too, Caligari.)
Pretty sure he did change it at some point, to the one with a transparent background.
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Yeah, it was actually a jest on my part. You changed it because you could've gone with something different anyway after your image host went down, right?
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undead003 wrote:You changed it because you could've gone with something different anyway after your image host went down, right?
Nah, I have a few that I cycle through occasionally. Sometimes depending on mood. Though it occurs to me that I don't have any of O'Neill that look particularly cheerful... I ought to look into fixing that.

I have also considered using that one picture of young John Carmack, since it's the closest to what I actually look like.
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Or be a man and actually show us what you look like. :)
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You could use the ketchup
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demo_the_man wrote:You could use the ketchup
No. No more friggin' ketchup.
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Wait, maybe this is for the best.

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Well since we're entirely off topic now, I'd like to add that what I want the zdoom community to have more than anything really is an influx of new users. The fun to be had playing and making content for zdoom deserves a great audience, and I think there's a very large demographic that would really enjoy it if they knew about it.

Beyond getting some popular youtuber hooked on GZDB, I don't see how that'd be accomplished though.
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GooberMan wrote:
Hellser wrote:Imagine if people started to call us by our avatar? There's three Doctors on ZDoom; Gooberman, Xaser and myself.
Let's go by numbers.

Wait. You other two are both 10.

This also would have meant "war" is a valid number.

Ignore everything I just said, it is wrong.
Have you seen the last two episodes of season (or series) 4 yet?
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Ichor wrote:Have you seen the last two episodes of season (or series) 4 yet?
I must be weird, because you saying "season 4" makes me think of Tom Baker instead.
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wildweasel wrote:
Ichor wrote:Have you seen the last two episodes of season (or series) 4 yet?
I must be weird, because you saying "season 4" makes me think of Tom Baker instead.
Yeah, some say 'series 4', and some say 'season 4', and some might even say 'season 30'.
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Phobus wrote:If you want my personal opinion on what's killing this forum, so to speak, it's the combination of very ambitious things that never get finished and the fact that nobody (even people like me who complain about it) bothers making maps for ZDoom anymore. This place had a bigger draw and audience back in the early 00's when everybody was excitedly making Doom maps with extra features, so we had stuff to play, discuss and be inspired by every day or two, or so it seemed.
The early 00's was also when DW was heavy into making ZDoom maps, thanks to a number of high-profile mappers and projects. They all moved on, new celebs took their place and the masses follow them instead. (which is basically how it's always been)

On another note regarding projects, isn't it about time that forum was cleaned up a bit? Maybe separate finished projects from WIP's, and possibly even separate maps from gameplay mods? (would be a very small subforum but at least it'd make it easier for those of us who do want to play new maps)
(a mistake I made with Virus, WRT ZDoom).
Virus got finished, so that wasn't a mistake. (it's those who keep popping up with threads that are worthy of a [newproject] tag that are the problem)
I suppose that's why Doomworld has such an active mapping community - there's always maps coming out and community projects and competitions where people can drop a quick map in.
We all know what drives that community, but tbh I don't see why we can't have those kind of projects and competitions here. A quick map with some basic ZDoom stuff won't take much longer than a vanilla map if people know what they're doing, and there's far more ideas available for community projects. Hell, you could even copy a theme from DW and apply basic rules to it, and it would still turn out very different. (eg. 1994 tune-up for ZDoom, which I have thought about starting in recent months but didn't bother for obvious reasons)

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