Edge: The Game [Hatred]

[insightguy]

Necrovision was set during WWI, not WWII, so you weren't fighting Nazis, but imperial Germans instead.

Also I find it amusing that anyone would think something made by neo-nazis is worth supporting or even worth humoring.

Well if people can distance mr.fish from the game he made then it's no surprise....but then again....yeah you do have a point.

but do we have any definitive proof that these guys ARE neo-nazis? Not being dismissive, I would just like some proof.

[Snarboo]

Most of what I've dug is based on their Facebook pages, where quite a few of the members have ties to fascist and hate groups. "Neo-nazi" might not be the right word, admittedly, but it's close.

[leileilol]

"former TheFarm51" implies something of a discussion about this game 'concept' proposal happened and then some chairs flew.


Glad Epic's taken a stance about "unlawful use" of their engine. Genesis3D and Ken Silverman never did

[Big C]

"former TheFarm51" implies something of a discussion about this game 'concept' proposal happened and then some chairs flew.


Glad Epic's taken a stance about "unlawful use" of their engine. Genesis3D and Ken Silverman never did

I *really* can't tell when you're being serious or just mocking, sometimes.

[Woolie Wool]

Glad Epic's taken a stance about "unlawful use" of their engine. Genesis3D and Ken Silverman never did

Was this game C&D'd or something? Is there a CliffsNotes version of this whole thing? I see a stupid, obnoxious trailer for a stupid, obnoxious game that seems to be about nothing but stupid, obnoxious adolescent petulance.

And something about Neo-Nazis, but at least it's not like Jesse Petrilla's Quest for _____ games where he makes his racist Muslim genocide fantasies the actual game itself. Although those at least had the comedy aspect of Hezbollah (yes, that Hezbollah) making a mod for one of them.

[Eric_]

Glad Epic's taken a stance about "unlawful use" of their engine. Genesis3D and Ken Silverman never did

Remember, kids, anyone can make a video game, just as long as their personal politics don't conflict with my own! That's illegal.

[Woolie Wool]

It is illegal if you signed a contract with Epic forbidding such things.

[Eric_]

Forbidding what? Holding certain personal beliefs? They didn't make a game where you exclusively shoot minorities. They made a game where you shoot everyone. And considering the sheer amount of games using Unreal Engine, and how many of them are extremely violent (Hell, just look at Epic's own lineup. Not exactly family-friendly edutainment.), it seems more than a little hypocritical to allow and make those but then this pops up and OH NOPE WE CAN'T HAVE VIOLENCE IN OUR VIDEO GAMES DELETE THIS!!!

[YukiHerz]

I'm not really attracted to this game, but, people seem to be flipping a lot of shit about it.

Did that same people flip shit about Grand Theft Auto, Saints Row or similar games? you can shoot innocent people, sure, that's not the objective of those games, but you can still do it, and don't tell me you don't enjoy doing it.

[Woolie Wool]

Forbidding what? Holding certain personal beliefs? They didn't make a game where you exclusively shoot minorities. They made a game where you shoot everyone. And considering the sheer amount of games using Unreal Engine, and how many of them are extremely violent (Hell, just look at Epic's own lineup. Not exactly family-friendly edutainment.), it seems more than a little hypocritical to allow and make those but then this pops up and OH NOPE WE CAN'T HAVE VIOLENCE IN OUR VIDEO GAMES DELETE THIS!!!

Pretty much whatever the hell Epic might want to forbid. The First Amendment or equivalent does not apply if you've signed a contract that essentially abrogates it in the context covered by that contract.

[wildweasel]

The First Amendment only applies to governmental restriction. A corporation is entirely free to say that you're not allowed to use their engine to make a game about mass murdering innocents in the interests of racial purity.

[Woolie Wool]

That's pretty much what I was getting at.

[Eric_]

murdering innocents in the interests of racial purity.

That's not what it would appear to be about, though. It looks like everyone gets murdered, regardless of race, gender, religion, etc. What makes this game so much worse than, say, Fallout 3? You know, the game where you literally nuke a town full of people just because you can, completely make up for it by donating a small amount of money to a person you can then kill to retrieve your money, and the only net penalty is for killing that one person?

I guess that doesn't count though, since Epic had nothing to do with it. I'll admit I'm not too familiar with Unreal Engine's history, but from a quick look at Wikipedia, what about Deus Ex? You can kill civilians in horribly violent ways for no reason and I don't think there's any penalty (maybe someone chews you out? I've honestly never tried it). What makes that game morally sound, but this game a hideous monstrosity?

[Sgt. Shivers]

I guess the key difference was that while in Fallout it was an option while in this it's encouraged/required. Honestly the biggest problem with this other than the protagonist's questionable motivation and the connections of the company members.
If this does end up being a game about being a nazi I doubt it'll sell well and it'll probably be bunched together with crap like Ethnic Cleansing and Zog's Nightmare, but if it doesn't it's just gonna be another EDGY game and probably freak out someones mum and nothing more.

[Eric_]

Or what about Postal 2? That's Unreal Engine 2, and it's basically the same premise as this, except it goes heavy on the satire while Hatred goes the complete opposite way. Both games have you killing innocent people just because they're in the way, with little else to the game.