The First ZDoom Community Map Project is Finished!

Tormentor667 · Post by **Tormentor667** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:12 am

Can someone close this? This discussion is pointless and nobody is interested in this shit!

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:03 am

cccp_leha wrote:It really isn't as much about what RandomLag says, it's how he says it.

Fully agreed. RL is obviously an intelligent person, quite knowledgeable about many topics, and could be quite an asset to these forums. Unfortunately he chooses to use his powers for evil.

Having a talent for making anyone you talk to feel like shit isn't something to be proud of.

randomlag · Post by **randomlag** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:53 am

Graf Zahl wrote:I didn't expect anything but that particular response...

Lol - you know you were attempting to bull shit your way out of this Graf. You have no objective argument. Being a bully isn't much fun when somebody challenges you is it

It's not the biggest level by any accepted standard. No amount of BS will change that simple fact. That's all I ever meant and anything else made out of it is by Graf's doing, not mine. I really don't care, but you guys did and do.

It's not the way I say it, it's the way you guys react to the messenger. You objected to the message. But go right ahead and try to argue Grafs pov and see how far you get in the community.

I actually was quite fond of how the PWAD you just made ended up getting rid of ALL the things I was objecting to regards duplicate lump names because of the obvious management mess it makes (and there was a huge disagreement with me then too because you didn't understand the message).

Which reminds me, you have a duplicate sound in there. See not even diligent efforts to avoid same prevented that from happening

(hottie /and ghostr postings- and the rest should be experts on making people "feel like shit" - too bad I don't care about your comments eh

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Post by **Graf Zahl** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:57 am

randomlag wrote:
Graf Zahl wrote:I didn't expect anything but that particular response...
Lol - you know you were attempting to bull shit your way out of this Graf. You have no objective argument. Being a bully isn't much fun when somebody challenges you is it

The [pedantic] should have warned you. But you had to take it 100% seriously. So don't blame me!

Giest118 · Post by **Giest118** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:59 am

And now I will finish this discussion by saying something that everyone can agree on: The Community Map is the biggest standalone map ever.

Can we all agree on that?

randomlag · Post by **randomlag** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:59 am

LOL - nice try Graf but no cigar. Look up pedantic. Now what?

Giest118 · Post by **Giest118** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:00 am

Might as well copy/paste what I just said for emphasis...

And now I will finish this discussion by saying something that everyone can agree on: The Community Map is the biggest standalone map ever.

Can we all agree on that?

randomlag · Post by **randomlag** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:00 am

giest118 wrote:And now I will finish this discussion by saying something that everyone can agree on: The Community Map is the biggest standalone map ever.

Can we all agree on that?

NO it's not. Geez, pay attention. By what standard? You really can't count the junk lines either. I that were allowed I could give you a 1 room level that's 48k of linedefs.

Giest118 · Post by **Giest118** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:01 am

Right then, fucktard.... whatever you say....

When I said standalone I meant NOT IN A FUCKING MULTILEVEL WAD.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:06 am

This discussion is pointless if you persist to discuss an 'opinion' that wasn't meant that seriously to begin with. I prefer to quote HotWax. I agree 100% with his statement below:

HotWax wrote: RL is obviously an intelligent person, quite knowledgeable about many topics, and could be quite an asset to these forums. Unfortunately he chooses to use his powers for evil. Having a talent for making anyone you talk to feel like shit isn't something to be proud of.

Giest118 · Post by **Giest118** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:07 am

'Kay then. /me goes off to play Claustrophobia

randomlag · Post by **randomlag** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:08 am

Level size has nothing to do with a FUCKING HUB

Wanting to change the rules and definitions is not the way to address this. Why is accepting this such a problem? mmmm.

randomlag · Post by **randomlag** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:11 am

Graf Zahl wrote:This discussion is pointless if you persist to discuss an 'opinion' that wasn't meant that seriously to begin with. I prefer to quote HotWax. I agree 100% with his statement below:

Cut the crap. Pedantic does NOT mean not serious. Geez, not only do we want to change the definition of level size, but now the meaning of words. In fact this is the meaning of pedantic:

Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules

Although I do agree that "ostentatious" fits you like a glove. Since you seem to forget your own words this is what you said And for me that value is the true defining factor of map size. and that was meant to be serious. When it acts like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck

I suppose I could now say that I wasn't that serious to begin with either. And actually I really don't care if it is or isn't the largest level. It was mostly an interesting flaw in the level as is the duplicate lump mistake. Interesting how stuff works out.

Actually Graf, that little comment applies in spades to you. It's just that you convince most people that the bs you put out is fact, when in fact, you make it up as you go along. Reread my pastor story and see how this relates to your statements

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Btw, you share hottie's talent - not something to be proud of here or in real life.

Risen · Post by **Risen** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:26 am

Yet, your argument has to do with deleting things from the level. Who says those are junk? They are part of the gameplay experience. They enhance the WAD, and the wad would in fact play differently if they were not there. Maybe your ammo count will be the same, but as you wander through you think "oh, this was made by X" and "Hm, I wonder how long until I get over there to that part made by X." If the lines were off in an invisible sector with no relevance to anything then you might have an argument here, but they clearly add something to the level, even if it's not within your definition of gameplay.

Congrats, you've created a mud-slinging argument over a difference of opinion on a topic that everyone agrees does not matter.

randomlag · Post by **randomlag** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:29 am

GOD. THINGS have NOTHING to do with level size. I never said THINGS were junk either. The extra lines in there are junk. Have said that in the very beginning and suggested to get rid of them since all they do is make for a worse node build and slow stuff down.

Level size is not an IMO, it's an accepted standard. Nobody has ever said that a level size is related to "THINGS". If that were true, then again I can take a 1 room level and instantly make "the biggest map ever".

Clearly you guys really care about this otherwise all these weird comments wouldn't come up. The mud slinging is by THIS group, not I. If you actually tried to read and understand what I write rather than quickly "sling mud" none of this would have been a problem.