Maps of Chaos - Overkill RC1 out!

[Armaetus]

You need to keep moving to survive that ordeal, I've gone mid to low health before but never died, maybe because my zombiemen never use that stupid 3 round shot (disabled, made them too damaging).

Recently, I did a tweak to E3M4 regarding the switch room but I'm not sure what to do about E3M6 with the open areas.

[Armaetus]

Just a heads up that this is not dead, it is just very slow.

[Coincident]

Awesome job on these maps Mr. Chris!
I've been playing these on brutal doom + black metal difficulty + pistol start, and it's been the most challenging (yet still balanced) experience I've had lately.
They keep the nostalgia / deja-vu feel of the original maps, with many more monsters and unexpected traps to keep you on your toes, and even some new areas to explore!

I've downloaded RC1.2 from moddb (http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/a ... nd-doom-ii); I think that's the last version.
I would love to see a brutalized E3M9 (using brutalized E3M1), and the entire E4 in the future.

Are you still working on these maps?
I've found an interesting pattern: most maps have an area (usually the last key) where you get a HUGE incoming horde of monsters teleporting all around you.
I don't know if it's possible, but did you think of adding a sound to that area? Something like the sound from entering MAP30; the signature sound of the brutalized horde, to scare the player even more!

[Armaetus]

I've been in a demotivational state for some time when it comes to editing more of the Overkill maps, it is not dead but almost a stand still in terms of progress. Also, other games (Firefall, Payday 2, Warframe, etc) have been eating up my time on top of waiting for Brutal Doom v20 so I can finish working on Random Deaths & Decoration version 1.2 (1.11 is out tho).

[BannedUser]

Hey, Chris Dragon-senpai!

This is a legit submod for Brutal Doom, but as all video games out there, I noticed a bunch of flaws which I find either irritating and/or ridiculous:

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• 1. There are some secrets that are very impossible to trigger. I don't know how to unlock them (I had to use "noclip" to get to those mentioned).
  
  2. Maps are too complex and would take 20 minutes to finish (due to some modifications)
  
  3. Some maps with many secrets (seriously?!)
  
  4. In map 13 and 15 of Doom II: Hell on Earth, why the hell would you place Cyberdemon on it?! What is this?! A game for masochists of something?!
  
  5. Some monsters would just appear (not spawning) out of nowhere on an empty space, the Cyberdemon for example in map 15 of Doom II: Hell on Earth
  
  6. A BFG on the first and second episode of Ultimate Doom?! What on earth--?! That is sooo non-canonical
  
  7. Also, why would you place Barons of Hell on map 2 of the first episode of Ultimate Doom, in which in the classic one, serves as one of the main bosses of the game?! Another deduction for this mod.
  
  8. Monster counts causes the game to lag, or otherwise, freeze, but does not crash (thank hellspawn ).
  
  9. Demons spawning out of nowhere?! Okay, you're taking it too far.
  
  10. On e1m8 of Ultimate Doom, You place a bunch of Barons of Hell on both sides of the "star-shaped" map, in which, like I stated in number 7, serves as the MAIN ANTAGONISTS of the said episode. They only appear as regular demons on the start of e2m4.
  
  11. Albeit I like your map extensions, I find some parts of it as worthless and just an eyesore. See number 2.
  
  12. In e2m8, seriously, sir, DO NOT put those distracting Imps on top of each wall/pillar.A horde of Lost Souls is enough. You're just making the map too impossible to finish (unless you use the "noclip" and the "iddqd" cheat). Same goes with e3m2 of the same game.
  
  13. Please fix e1m3 of Ultimate Doom. I literally got lost because of the complexity of the said map. I had to use "noclip" just to finish it.
  
  14. I repeat, please fix your map extensions. You are just confusing your clients out there.
  
  15. For God's sake please make a walkthrough!
  
  16. Last, but not the least, go make "Brutalized Final Doom". Why do you keep on leaving it behind, and only focus on Doom I and II?!

Based on those things stated, I'm sorry but I have to give it 3.5 out of 10. Try harder next time.

I'm not trolling with you, I don't bash, harrass, or spread hatred either, so to those who will overreact to my reply, grow up.

[wildweasel]

While I am sure your criticism is duly noted, your tone might be a little on the harsh side.

[Carbine Dioxide]

Some people like a challenge, even if it is an impossible one.

Also, I am pretty sure demons did that instant spawn stuff in Thy Flesh Consumed, so it's not that unusual.

After a while the Baron's of hell in Doom 1 are just small fry compared to the Cyber demon. Look at Thy Flesh Consumed map 2. There is a Cyber demon on that map. I could never beat that level on Ultra Violence.

Maybe I should stop comparing this to the Thy Flesh Consumed episode.

[-Ghost-]

I like the more complex maps, they're not really that hard to figure out. There are a couple secrets I'm not sure how to trigger, but most are fairly simple. The only thing that I think is a little overused is monsters teleporting in, since they tend to warp in in all around you, which can get tricky if you're playing with a harder mod. But then you can't have every wall a hidden monster closet either, so I guess that's the compromise.

[Armaetus]

@Point 1 & 3: Which ones? I can go and double check those.

@Point 2: With added carnage means you will have to slow down your progression so you don't get your ass killed.

@Point 4: It's not called Overkill for nothing!

@Point 5: That's the instant floor rise linedef trick.

@Point 6: The sheer number of monsters is why the BFG is placed.

@Point 7: I guess they're there to force you to kill or avoid him as it is the exit area.

@Point 8: This is a problem with Brutal Doom only, blame all the bullshit scripts being constantly being called for the headshot/limbshot scripts.

@Point 9: There's only so much I can pack into the original architecture.

@Point 10: It's to make the end episode harder.

@Point 11: I appreciate your feedback despite it being blunt.

@Point 12: Again, it is called Overkill for a reason, if you played that and not the Hardcore version.

@Point 13: There is a switch in the room before the circular stone nukage pit, which opens up the new region which eventually leads to lowering the panels blocking the area to the key. It requires some nukage traversing but plenty of radsuits are available. On top of that, I provided a teleport in the room you hit the switch so you have no need to go over the damaging floors again.

@Point 14: What maps and where? If one knows the original layouts, they won't have too much trouble figuring out with the extensions.

@Point 15: I'm terrible at walkthroughs textwise, but the best I could do is do video walkthroughs on my Youtube channel.

@Point 16: I originally was going to do Final Doom but I abandoned the idea after 3 maps into Evilution. The demo of it is on the first post of this thread.

[Coincident]

Your maps are awesome and you should feel awesome, regardless of some people's unconstructive criticism.
What's the point of downloading a brutalized (= harder) version of the doom maps, just to spoil the challenge with iddqd or idclip? (and walkthroughs? seriously?!)

Anyway the only real (but minor) glitch are the many many secrets (some impossible to reach), which would be worth looking into.
Regarding the sheer difficulty of the maps - it is welcome; and exactly what people expect.
It would also be great to have a brutalized E3M9, and E4; and yeah after that Final Doom why not

PS - About point 8: Brutal Doom shows a _very_ slow framerate especially around lots of mancubuses (and lots of flames).
Brutal Doom SE has an addon called "simple mancubus flames" which greatly reduces the problem.

[Armaetus]

If there wasn't constant limb/headshot scripts being called per monster, the framerate issue probably will not be that much of a problem.

[Armaetus]

Renamed in honor of ditching support of Brutal Doom.

Also, there's been a few minor updates to the Overkill version since.

[Frostiken]

What exactly changed for 'dropping support of Brutal Doom'?

Do you have a list of where your progress is right now, or rather, what maps still need to be done? This pack of levels might honestly be one of the best additions to Doom.

Last I played (quite some time ago) Doom 1 was almost entirely done except, I think, Thy Flesh Consumed and maybe a couple levels in E3. Doom 2 had only a few levels done.

Thanks!

[Armaetus]

I made a thread regarding this.

Overkill variant has up to MAP19 done and I think up to E3M3 on original Doom.

[BerzerkeRick]

I downloaded this and tried it out had fun until E1M2 Nuclear plant. I got through the whole level but the exit door doesn't open it's just a big door with UAC on it. I shot about 20 rockets at it with no luck. Help?