[Project] "Knee-Deep in ZDoom"

Post by **Bio Hazard** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:09 pm

thats just your oppinion

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:13 pm

Of course it is. But trashing this project by catering to the GL crowd is just wrong.

GeeDougg · Post by **GeeDougg** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:15 pm

Catering to the GL crowd? You've gotta stop being so paranoid man. The onlyreason I want GL is because it'll look good and give the levels a feel that can't be achieved with sector-lighting. Yes I nkow it's fun and challenging to make good-looking maps without the modern eye-candy but it's not like modern eye-candy is actually bad. I like it. And Enjay ikes it too!

So join us or we'll destroy you!

Post by **Kirby** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:38 pm

@Torm - I need to do some more work, but I'll post screenies later

Risen · Post by **Risen** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:11 pm

I must agree with Graf. Adding the lights and leaving unknown things everywhere for normal ZDoom users would certainly trash it. I for one have no intention of ever doing this.

Here's some screenshots from E1M7. I have a lot left to do, but remember this is only 2 days worth of work from a blank start and much has gone into gameplay rather than detail.

Tormentor667 · Post by **Tormentor667** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:31 pm

@Risen - Shots look pretty cool

Nightmap?!

@AllPersonsDiscussingAboutThePointLightFeature - No! This won't be implemented. Enough reasons have been said!

Post by **Kirby** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:50 pm

I have more, but imageshack isnt loading for strange reasons

EDIT: Here are some more

Im working kinda slow, but since I have tomorrow off, it should speed up

Ninja_of_DooM · Post by **Ninja_of_DooM** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:29 am

Nice work Kirby. I wouldn't have thought of the idea you got for screenshot #1. Nice work.

Good to see you got some new THINGS in.

Ixnatifual · Post by **Ixnatifual** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:38 am

Looks great.

Risen · Post by **Risen** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:07 am

Tormentor667 wrote:@Risen - Shots look pretty cool :) Nightmap?! :)

One of the first things I did was globally drop the lighting for the map by 32 units. I did this for a few reasons. First, the map is already well known, so people won't get lost even in the dark. Second, this is the last full map before the final showdown... it needs to be dark and scary! I'm lightening areas back up as I go... when I add lights to that area I will brighten it up. But, the map is very playable as-is.

I'm developing new traps as I go along as well. The red floor in shot 3 is normally dark until you go over it. Then it begins to glow. If you're still on it when it reaches its peak then you will be hurt! Unfortunately there is no defined means-of-death for electorcution... or maybe we can convert something else? That would be good to have. The orange pillars that you see through the window are also a trap, they glow and hum and create a force field. Trying to cross the field results in death! Players get to witness a demon charging through before they ever have to cross it, and I'm noting all traps with that red lighting also in shot 1.

Some of the effects in this level just can't be shown in screenshots. You have to play it to appreciate it.

I was toying with the idea of forcing a pistol start. Any thoughts?

Lexus Alyus · Post by **Lexus Alyus** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:11 am

Man... this is making me feel bad... i just can't detail as well really...

The only complaint that I have with Tormentor is the fact that his detailing far exceeds the skill of mine... it makes me feel crap

.

Anyway... I just need practice... I'm gonna finish this map, put all projects on hold (well, I've scraqpped almost ll of my projects, except ROTGS2... (NMN: Please not the MY there... I am not scrapping any one elses projects so you have nothing to worry about

)). Then I'm gonna work on making some single maps, just to build up my skill.

So, without further ado, lemme seewhat I can do with my ZDCMP map...

Nmn · Post by **Nmn** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:27 am

Lexus Alyus wrote:I've scraqpped almost ll of my projects, except ROTGS2... (NMN: Please not the MY there... I am not scrapping any one elses projects so you have nothing to worry about ))

Were there any besides ROTGS2 and .. our project?

Man, it's Friday, hurry up with the motherboard

MartinHowe · Post by **MartinHowe** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:34 am

As to the problem of 3D lights in normal ZDoom, couldn't you just supply an extra PWAD for those users? Such a PWAD could include a DECORATE section that defines totally invisible nonblocking nonshootable decorations with the same doomednums as the lights. OK, actually using DECORATE for decorations is a bit passé I know, but...

Maybe Timmie could create such a PWAD for all the new thing types he introduces and distribute it with ZDoomGL.

Lexus Alyus · Post by **Lexus Alyus** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:36 am

No, because ZdoomGL is'nt completely stable with 3D lights ATM, plus, it would take up time that we don't have... maybe for another comunity project, but not this one. Nice idea anyway though.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:06 am

Randy should add the light objects to regular ZDoom but leave them as dummies - just to avoid the exclamation marks.