[Project] "Knee-Deep in ZDoom"
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Curry is just jealous Why play a cool undetailed map when You can play a cool detailed one?
Seriously some people tend to hide conceptual blandness under a really high build quality (meaning they disguise lack of originality under bootiful detail) but definately not Tormentor. I played his e1m8 so I know what I'm saying.
Seriously some people tend to hide conceptual blandness under a really high build quality (meaning they disguise lack of originality under bootiful detail) but definately not Tormentor. I played his e1m8 so I know what I'm saying.
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@Nmn & arcticwolf - Thx for your comments, first at all it's nice to hear that and well, I have nothing to say to Curunir about that. I never just add detail to hide that my maps lack of atmosphere, first at all, the atmosphere itself is important and then I build up the eyecandy around that. Nevertheless, back to the topic itself Does anyone else have some screenies?!
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You have an excellent skill for detailing maps and your additions look excellent. While I am unapologetic about the amount of work I was able to put into it, (since my system was down for a fair amount of the work period,) it is a fact that people look up to you in your ability to do this. Your responses came across as somewhat elitist. I'll take it in good faith that you did not mean to be offensive, but I become especially concerned when it appears that detail is getting in the way of the intended gameplay. For instance, the floating parts in that nukage pool now give the player something to stand on where I had really wanted the player to jump across.Tormentor667 wrote:Well, to be honest, I didn't want to say anything with the stats, just some overview for others (because you always can connect stats with detail if I am working on a map like this, but that sounds arrogant, so please forget about it).
And don't get me wrong, Risen, if I say that some of your and Lexus' parts needed a major touch up. I didn't say that they are bad, I just meant that some areas had places, where I saw that something is missing. And that was no question of "eye for candy", it was a question of episode-1 feeling and effort... damn, that also sounds a bit stupid and offending ;) Well, check the shots and you might see what I mean!
As mappers, we have very different focus. Working together, I'm certain we can make some great maps.
I don't have any screenshots yet, but last night was the first night I ot to work on E1M7 at all... and I started from scratch because I was not given any resources. Hopefully I'll have something to show after tonight. I'm working large now, so intricate details will come later in the process.
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@Risen - No, I didn't mean to be offensive but it is always hard to explain what you think in a foreign language, so it is often likely that someone misunderstands what I really tried to say Nevertheless, about the floating pieces in the Nukage: I didn't add them just to achieve some more detail, I just thought, that it would be easier for the player to cross the nukage. When I was jumping, I always felt into the nukage before I could reach the other side and well, I thought this addition would make things easier.
This is by far the best sentence you ever wrote (of what I have read so far ) because I think you are absolutely right with it The combination of these different focuses make up for great achievementsAs mappers, we have very different focus. Working together, I'm certain we can make some great maps.
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Gee, we're already planning this.
Okay, that's enough talk.. I have work to do!
Tormentor667 wrote:...we will add 5 more weeks to the developement of our new episode, in which I want to have the following persons be part of:
- Nmn
- Nightmare
- BioHazard
- cccp_leha
- Risen
Our major aim on this will be to provide a straight style of design and ammo/weapon balance to the maps so they really look like, if they are part of one episode.
I have stuggled with foreign languages as well so I know where you're coming from. I'll try to keep that in mind in the future.Tormentor667 wrote:...it is always hard to explain what you think in a foreign language, so it is often likely that someone misunderstands what I really tried to say ;)
Okay, that's enough talk.. I have work to do!
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Forget it. This project is for ZDoom, not ZDoomGL. To use dynamic lights efficiently you have to design your map specifically for it. Forcing it into a map that doesn't require it often creates odd effects. And those exclamation marks will be regarded as bugs by everybody who cannot or doesn't want to use ZDoomGL for any reason. Right now it's far to rough and unfinished to force people to use it for a map. With the next official release, maybe, but what is available now is an unofficial pre-release version!
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geedougg wrote:I doubt any of the people who're a part of this projexct would be willing to make time for a double-job. Of course I guess we could always wait 'till it's finished and then make a modifed ZDoomGL version!
You know, the real fun with Doom maps is to make them look good without this modern eye candy. Why do you think I don't care about JDoom much?