[Contest] Doom Mutator Contest 2!

[Jimmy]

stuff

I have some suggestions for your mod:
1)disabling a spell to recover mana or to quickly activate another spell without the need to wait
2)i think zeal is a bad idea,as it is slowing the game down
3)activating a spell when low on mana (say,if you have 5 mana,you still can activate the spell for 5 seconds)

1 & 3) I'd like to implement these, but they're harder to do than I thought they would be. Both cases bring up problems with the inventory functions - for 1), TakeInventory() doesn't work with powerups. And for 3), GiveInventory() doesn't work with powerups if you want to give them multiple times, unless I put the function in a for() loop. In short, these are doable, but require a bit of work.

2) It stays. It's supposed to teach you to moderate your usage of Omega - you can't use it all up at once or that'll make the game way too easy. If it really bugs you, try an easier difficulty level.

[NeuralStunner]

TakeInventory() doesn't work with powerups.

Eh? It certainly does. I use it all the time: Just remember to take away the Power, not the giver (which effectively vanishes into oblivion after the Power is given). I.E. Take [wiki=Classes:PowerLightAmp]PowerLightAmp[/wiki], not [wiki=Classes:Infrared]Infrared[/wiki].

GiveInventory() doesn't work with powerups if you want to give them multiple times

[wiki=Classes:CustomInventory]CustomInventory[/wiki] + customized [wiki=ClassesPowerupGiver]PowerupGiver[/wiki]s?

[Jimmy]

TakeInventory() doesn't work with powerups.

Eh? It certainly does. I use it all the time: Just remember to take away the Power, not the giver (which effectively vanishes into oblivion after the Power is given). I.E. Take [wiki=Classes:PowerLightAmp]PowerLightAmp[/wiki], not [wiki=Classes:Infrared]Infrared[/wiki].

The way I have it set up, TakeInventory doesn't work, at least the way I would use it normally. Probably because the Power and the Giver are essentially the same thing.

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actor YellowFade : PowerupGiver
{
  Powerup.Color "ff ff 00", 0.2
  Powerup.Duration 525
  Powerup.Type "Targeter"
  +INVENTORY.ADDITIVETIME
  +INVENTORY.AUTOACTIVATE
  +INVENTORY.ALWAYSPICKUP
}

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script 996 ( void )
{
  TakeInventory("YellowFade",1);
}

GiveInventory() doesn't work with powerups if you want to give them multiple times

[wiki=Classes:CustomInventory]CustomInventory[/wiki] + customized [wiki=ClassesPowerupGiver]PowerupGiver[/wiki]s?

I mean through ACS. I guess it would work if I put it in a while or for loop. Will have to try it out first, though.

[NeuralStunner]

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Actor PowerYellowFade: PowerTargeter
{ 
  Powerup.Color "ff ff 00", 0.2
  Powerup.Duration 525
  Powerup.Type "Targeter"
}

Actor YellowFadeGiver : PowerupGiver
{
  Powerup.Color "ff ff 00", 0.2
  Powerup.Duration 525
  Powerup.Type "YellowFade"
  +INVENTORY.ADDITIVETIME
  +INVENTORY.AUTOACTIVATE
  +INVENTORY.ALWAYSPICKUP
}

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TakeInventory ("PowerYellowFade");

Better yet, use a CustomInventory that calls [wiki]A_SetBlend[/wiki].

[Jimmy]

Ohhh.

Will give that a go. Cheers.

[Jimmy]

Ok, I got 3) working, but there's a snag... the effect is no longer instantaneous. I had to put a single tic delay in the for() loop in order to allow the giver item to be given more than once. Hence, a delay of 15 tics is needed to boost the activation time by 15 seconds (which isn't ideal if the player wants to boost his activation time by a large number all at one time), and this can't be easily alleviated with ACS_ExecuteAlways in the weapons' altfire states, since it seems to cause problems.

This is really quite bothersome... why does the game need a delay to allow a PowerupGiver to be given multiple times?

Well, it's undesirable, but there's no immediate problems with it as it is. Thanks for the help, NS.

[NeuralStunner]

This is really quite bothersome... why does the game need a delay to allow a PowerupGiver to be given multiple times?

I'm not sure if this is a limitation of PowerupGiver, or one of ACS. Can you do other things in For loops without delays? If not, it's because ACS requires delays inside of loops to prevent "runaway scripts" that lock up the process for an indefinite time.

If this only happens with PowerupGiver, then I would guess it has to with the Power item actually being given in the next tic. Or something.

Thanks for the help, NS.

No problem, J.

[Jimmy]

I'm not sure if this is a limitation of PowerupGiver, or one of ACS. Can you do other things in For loops without delays?

Sure - if there aren't too many steps. I think when it reaches 1000 or something the script "runs away" automatically.

The thing is, I only need it to go through the loop 15 times - and ACS can do that without delays quite easily, although for some reason (and it only seems to be happening in this case), it won't give the powerup I want it to multiple times - it'll just give it once. It's probably a limitation with PowerupGiver, I'm sure that any other inventory item can be given several times instantly - try it with Ammo, Health, or even PuzzleItems.

No problem, J.

Please, call me Jimbo.

[Cutmanmike]

Ahahahaha finally it has come to me! I have my idea for this mutator contest at long last. It's nothing crazy like adding new weapons to Doom or anything. I'm posting this just to remind me to actually do this

[Jimmy]

'nother new version of Omega. This should hopefully be the final version.

THIS IS AN OLD VERSION, GO TO PAGE 8 FOR THE LATEST

j-omega.wad

Not many changes have been made, but here's the ones I can remember...

• Added a "Cancel Omega" ability, which deactivates the currently active omega. Custom keybind is required for this.
• You can now activate Omega with less than 15 Omega in the selected reserve (although you only get that amount of activation time).
• Balanced out a few of the weapons. Death Cyclone and Ion Blast (now called "Particle Shower") are now a lot cooler to use.
• Zeal now depletes faster on UV and Nightmare skills. This makes for a very challenging game experience.
• Simplified and added comments to the ACS. Scripts run smoother in-game as a result.

[wildweasel]

The addition of the Chaos ability set makes Omega add huge replay value to any level. I'd be utterly amazed if it doesn't make it to at least the top three. (Hey, gotta account for Xaser's impending mod.)

[amv2k9]

Sweet, a new class to fool around with! Only a couple things I'd like to mention:

Having the cursor scroll down the list of manas as you press WeaponNext, and up as you press WeaponPrevious, was kinda counterintuitive; found myself just switching bindings whilst playing.

Possibly a way to change the currently selected spell from the currently selected Mana, without activating one & then pressing WeaponNext/Previous to change?

[wildweasel]

Having the cursor scroll down the list of manas as you press WeaponNext, and up as you press WeaponPrevious, was kinda counterintuitive; found myself just switching bindings whilst playing.

That's kind of the way I have my mouse wheel set up anyway at this point so it seems perfectly intuitive to me.

[Jimmy]

Having the cursor scroll down the list of manas as you press WeaponNext, and up as you press WeaponPrevious, was kinda counterintuitive; found myself just switching bindings whilst playing.

Hmm, I see an issue here. I can't think of an appropriate solution to this that doesn't involve you reversing your mousewheel binds. Maybe putting the bars upright instead of sideways on the screen would make things slightly easier for everyone?

Although I don't want to start a debate about it, I personally think the way I've set my own mousewheel up (same as wildweasel's) is the best and most intuitive way. As I'm so used to it, it simply didn't cross my mind that people would have it set up in reverse order. (My brother has playtested this mutator extensively, and I could've sworn he had his mousewheel controls "reversed", but he didn't bring up the point. )

Possibly a way to change the currently selected spell from the currently selected Mana, without activating one & then pressing WeaponNext/Previous to change?

You mean being able to access all 12 skills while Omega is active? Not happening, I'm afraid - each skill is useful in its own way - you just have to learn which one to employ depending on the situation you're in. Memorising the skills that occupy each slot comes in very handy.

A note to everyone else: a few more changes have been made, and a rather nasty bug regarding the "cancel" action and the "resurrect" ccmd has been fixed. A final version will be uploaded to my Phenomer webspace soon.

[amv2k9]

You mean being able to access all 12 skills while Omega is active? Not happening, I'm afraid - each skill is useful in its own way - you just have to learn which one to employ depending on the situation you're in. Memorising the skills that occupy each slot comes in very handy.

Eh, guess my explanation was off. What I meant was:

Say you have Yellow Mana selected. You could use (just as an example of buttons) Inventory Left/Right to cycle between Fireball, Seekers, and Pyro Ball, and that would be the spell that activates when you press Secondary Fire. You wouldn't be able to select spells outside the currently selected Mana with this.