Linux progress

_orb_ · Post by **_orb_** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:34 am

hmm, i got working this "export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=svgalib" with ZDaemon... zdaemon uses zdoom 1.x sdl code
but im using svgalib 1.4.3, so i reqires ROOT for runing (like quake world client qwcl)

ps. SDL version 1.2.7.

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:35 pm

Enjay wrote:Shittiness should stand on its own and not be because something else is better.

Yes, otherwise Linux would be "shit".

arioch · Post by **arioch** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:36 pm

linux IS shit.

Let's start with usb vs gpm vs ps/2.

I have one usb keyboard and one ps/2 mouse plugged into my linux server.
GPM resolutely refuses to recognize the ps/2 mouse, instead choosing to complain that the AT keyboard is missing. There is no AT port on the computer.
The USB subsystem believes that there is a USB mouse connected. There isn't.
The PS/2 mouse refuses to work on this computer, even after multiple reboots. The PS/2 mouse port on the computer worked fine in Windows, not so long ago.

3 days ago, the USB subsystem blew up, spewing a couple hundred thousand error messages per second (an exaggeration, but not much) to the root console, causing an insane amount of load on the computer to the exclusion of all other processes. A reboot was necessary.

The PS/2 mouse still refuses to work. GPM still complains about missing an AT keyboard. And USB still reports an USB mouse installed.

_orb_ · Post by **_orb_** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:22 am

SDL_VIDEODRIVER=dga, works too.... it's really faster then x11... so one more reason to make zdoom 2.0 for linux

ducon · Post by **ducon** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:30 am

arioch wrote:linux IS shit.
Let's start with usb vs gpm vs ps/2.
[couic]

Maybe it's because USB is shit?
A troll, where??

QBasicer · Post by **QBasicer** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:24 am

arioch wrote:linux IS shit.

Let's start with usb vs gpm vs ps/2.

I have one usb keyboard and one ps/2 mouse plugged into my linux server.
GPM resolutely refuses to recognize the ps/2 mouse, instead choosing to complain that the AT keyboard is missing. There is no AT port on the computer.
The USB subsystem believes that there is a USB mouse connected. There isn't.
The PS/2 mouse refuses to work on this computer, even after multiple reboots. The PS/2 mouse port on the computer worked fine in Windows, not so long ago.

3 days ago, the USB subsystem blew up, spewing a couple hundred thousand error messages per second (an exaggeration, but not much) to the root console, causing an insane amount of load on the computer to the exclusion of all other processes. A reboot was necessary.

The PS/2 mouse still refuses to work. GPM still complains about missing an AT keyboard. And USB still reports an USB mouse installed.

Ok, Linux works as well as the person who runs it.

If you can't handle the stablility and the power, crawl back into your hole and continue using the shirveled up code that Windows is.

I keep my linux box up for as long as possible, but sometimes my mother or the power goes out...i've had a personal record of 3 weeks.

In Windows i can't get much better then a week.

Linux also does not have the viruses like Windows has...not as many vunerbilities etc. I only know of one Virus for Linux, it's called Turkey and it deletes whatever the user has premisisons for.

How many patches or serious worms for Windows are there? Maybe one every one to two weeks.

Sure Linux has patches too, but it's not as serious.

Also, the user (unless root) cannot screw up any of the system files, just their own files.

Why do you think most of the internet backbone is *nix systems and not Windows? Because nothing would get done...you would get random outages to some networks.

IBM is also starting to ship Linux with their desktop PCs. A new move is to bring users to Linux. Macromedia is investigating porting Flash (creator) to Linux.

Linux is up and coming, and Tux is gunna shatter some glass!

PS: Oh, about your problems, you probaby had the wrong device file for your hardware. In Slackware, both my mice point to /dev/mouse. Just buy a book. And if you think Linux is shit, then you have shit for brains. Also, the distro might have something to do with it...*cough* REDHAT *cough*

cyber-menace · Post by **cyber-menace** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:27 am

arioch wrote:linux IS shit.

Let's start with usb vs gpm vs ps/2.

I have one usb keyboard and one ps/2 mouse plugged into my linux server.
GPM resolutely refuses to recognize the ps/2 mouse, instead choosing to complain that the AT keyboard is missing. There is no AT port on the computer.
The USB subsystem believes that there is a USB mouse connected. There isn't.
The PS/2 mouse refuses to work on this computer, even after multiple reboots. The PS/2 mouse port on the computer worked fine in Windows, not so long ago.

3 days ago, the USB subsystem blew up, spewing a couple hundred thousand error messages per second (an exaggeration, but not much) to the root console, causing an insane amount of load on the computer to the exclusion of all other processes. A reboot was necessary.

The PS/2 mouse still refuses to work. GPM still complains about missing an AT keyboard. And USB still reports an USB mouse installed.

First off, you must have done something stupid while you were root. SECONDLY, ONLY A COMPLETE FOOL WHO CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT IN LINUX WOULD HATE LINUX! I'VE USED LINUX FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW AND I'VE MAINLY BEEN USING IT TO CLEAN UP THE MESSES THAT WINDOWS CAUSED! HA! YOUR PROBLEM IS NOTHING COMPARED TO A WINDOWS GLITCH! Just yesterday my idiot brother restored the master boot record using Norton Antivirus. This shitastically horrible move caused Windows to fail to start. I had to use my Slackware installation CD in order to boot into Linux and use Lilo to override the MBR. WINDOWS IS THE SOURCE FOR ALL HELL! IF YOU GET AN ERROR IN LINUX IT IS USUALLY ALWAYS SOMETHING YOU DID, NOT IT! IT IS ALSO USUALLY EASILY FIXED! You might have done something as small, but ANY OS will do stupid things if you do even the smallest thing to an important file. These two files could easily cause a problem with your mouse if you did something wrong. ALWAYS make sure you know what you're doing and ALWAYS double check things so to be sure NOT to cause problems like the one you had. Linux IS THE #1 OS FOR FIXING PROBLEMS. If you don't believe me, then you can have your own naive opinion, but if it wasn't for Linux I would have had to format my Windows partition 7 or 8 times THIS YEAR! I usually have no problems with Linux and if I do they are only tiny little things such as not having the right version of something in order to compile a new program. I don't know about MACs, but just about ANYTHING is better than Windows for stability.

Post by **Chris** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:14 am

Um, okay, guys? As much as a Linux advocate that I am, I don't think yelling, calling him names, or bashing Windows (however fun the latter may be) is going to solve anything. AFAICT, he's still using Linux despite these problems. Name calling isn't going to get anything fixed, and you're just making yourself look like asses.

As for the USB/GPM/PS2 problem.. the one thing I did catch in those previous two posts that may be the cause is a small, innocuos error in some system file. Make sure the /dev/mouse file is pointing at the right device, and that the proper modules are loaded. The same for your keyboard. Also, what is GPM? I don't remember hearing that acronym before.

It's also quite possible your motherboard, if a newer type ('specially the nForce's), just aren't supported. If that's the case, I'd suggest finding a company that better supports their users' choice in OSs.

Post by **Chris** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:22 am

First off, you must have done something stupid while you were root. SECONDLY, ONLY A COMPLETE FOOL WHO CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT IN LINUX WOULD HATE LINUX!

Linux isn't foolproof. Believe it or not (!!!)*gasp*(!!!) it does make errors on its own. Usually due to bad/unsupported hardware, but it's not unheard of for itself to just mess up for some reason. You can't have a piece of software as big as Linux and expect it to be bug free.

And also, Linux is not for everyone. Just because someone doesn't like Linux doesn't mean he can't operate it. Someone can know how to use Linux efficiently, but still prefer Windows' setup. They're different OSs that cater to different types of people. It doesn't mean people can't prefer Windows, or (!!!)*double gasp*(!!!) like both.

A quote I've read that I think is pretty good: "Linux is very user friendly. It's just very picky about who its friends are."

Linux zealots give Linux users a bad name.

QBasicer · Post by **QBasicer** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:05 am

While that's true, in order for it to work nicely, you have to know how to set it up. Maybe it's a case where his USB system isn't compatable. Or other hardware.

I do agree it has it's bugs, but there are a lot of patches out there you can get.

Some computer just straight out don't like running linux. Most laptops have a little problem with it, but that's changing.

I run Windows on a dual boot for my mother, but i use Linux.

If you don't like software, i guess you shouldn't call it shit by just a little bit of experience. Maybe he didn't get to explore the best sides, and got unlucky.

Then again, maybe it was too much for him.

It might not be as user friendly as Linux but it's still powerful and up and comming!

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:50 am

And the Linux community shows its true colors.

"IF U D0NT LIEK MI OS UR R AN IDI0T"

Nice.

ducon · Post by **ducon** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:03 am

HotWax wrote:And the Linux community shows its true colors.
"IF U D0NT LIEK MI OS UR R AN IDI0T"
Nice.

Nah, you should have written this, like a true 1337:
!|= |_| o|O//7 |_!|<3 /\/\! 05 |_||2 4/\/ !|)!07

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:05 am

I rest my case.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:29 am

HotWax wrote:And the Linux community shows its true colors.

"IF U D0NT LIEK MI OS UR R AN IDI0T"

Nice.

I have to agree.

Cyber-Menace, with all due respect but you are an idiot!

Post by **randi** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:37 am

charris wrote:Linux also does not have the viruses like Windows has...not as many vunerbilities etc.

Only because there are far, far fewer people who use Linux, not because it is intrinsically safer. Windows has a much larger user base, so it is a much more tempting target for exploits.

Anti-Windows/pro-Linux propaganda is still FUD if it isn't valid.