[Complete] The Ghoul's Forest 3

HotWax · Post by **HotWax** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:22 am

Cutmanmike wrote:Ok guys i've encountered a problem. For some reason the creeper ghoul just doesn't show up. He's in PNG format and I can't quite figure out why he isn't visible, nor can I check his scale (he's a huge detailed sprite you see).

Now I just need someone who's good with DECORATE, PNG formatting and wads in general, and doesn't care about spoiling the ghoul

any takers?

This might sound like a dumb question, but does your PNG have an alpha channel, and is it properly set? (i.e. Not 100% transparent)

Cutmanmike · Post by **Cutmanmike** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:42 pm

What's the easiest way to properly do it?

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:29 pm

I'm totally up for testing. It's been a while since I've been sent snuggling to my plushies out of fear, and usually Doom stuff doesn't do that to me- it feels more like a thrill.

Post by **Nash** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:56 pm

I haven't forgotten the trees. I managed to corrupt my tree model files while trying to UV map them. But don't worry, I decided to say "f*ck it" and go back to Milkshape 3D. God dammit for quick simple models Milkshape is still the best.

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Sat May 26, 2007 12:10 am

How much time did you put into learning models, Nash? I need to learn SOMETHING 3D.

Post by **Nash** » Sat May 26, 2007 12:38 am

Learning the UI (user interface; tools, hotkeys (a MUST for 3-D apps), etc) takes a few minutes to half an hour, depending on the program. But understanding objects in 3 dimensions enough to create a 3-D model that looks nice takes a lot of observation on a daily basis, and I admit that I'm still weak in that area.

If you want a totally freeware modelling package, check out Blender. It's got a great online community, a wiki and lots of walkthrough tutorials but be prepared to spend a few hours to sit down and go through the tutorials one by one. It might take longer before you start to feel comfortable with the UI enough to start making objects. I don't like Blender because it's a little too complex for the small amount of modelling I do. Since I primarily model for GZDoom, the fact that there are no built-in MD3 exporters for it also throws me off. (Well actually there are some 3rd party MD3 exporters but installing and getting them to work isn't newbie proof and I hate that)

Milkshape 3D is much cleaner, easier and straight to the point (comparing Milkshape to, say, 3ds Max is like comparing MS Paint to Photoshop) and there are some great tutorials for it too. Milkshape was the first 3-D modeller I've ever learnt in my life and I remember making my first human model immediately after about 20 minutes of the learning phase. Milkshape also comes with an MD3 exporter built in natively so you can immediately export models for use with GZDoom.

That's modelling... UV mapping (texturing/"skinning") is a different beast and it depends on how good you are at 2-D art and how much patience you have.

When you UV map your models, you basically unwrap (or peel off) your model's surfaces and lay them flat on a canvas so you can draw their textures without them distorting.

I can already tell CheapAlert is going to barge in this thread insisting Milkshape sucks.

Post by **TheDarkArchon** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:43 am

It DOES dammit

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Sat May 26, 2007 6:20 am

Interacting with 3D objects on the computer isn't something I'm used to. Interacting with Legos is, however, and given the right pieces I can craft pretty much whatever.

Cutmanmike · Post by **Cutmanmike** » Sat May 26, 2007 7:10 am

I prefer 3ds. Even though I still can't do alot in it I find it fun to just mess around now and again.

So any news on the trees?

Glassyman · Post by **Glassyman** » Sat May 26, 2007 7:51 am

Cool!!!

Dancso · Post by **Dancso** » Sat May 26, 2007 1:34 pm

DoomRater: If you want a simple 3D modeller try out Wings
It's very simple, it can't add textures(i think) but it's easy to use.

Cutmanmike: Nice! How much time that model took to make?

Cutmanmike · Post by **Cutmanmike** » Sat May 26, 2007 3:45 pm

Not too long, it was just an edit of another model

chronoteeth · Post by **chronoteeth** » Sat May 26, 2007 9:31 pm

It's nice, but please say you're not using it, cause the scare factor is at a low.

XutaWoo · Post by **XutaWoo** » Sat May 26, 2007 10:26 pm

If you're not using it in anything, can you give me the model itself? I want to sprite it.

Cutmanmike · Post by **Cutmanmike** » Sun May 27, 2007 5:29 am

chronoteeth wrote:It's nice, but please say you're not using it, cause the scare factor is at a low.

It has nothing to do with the ghoul's forest. For this i'm using photographic sprites.

see: http://cutmanmike.deviantart.com/