Death Wyvern Arguments?
Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:45 pm
I guess this is slightly more mapping than scripting...
I have been trying to use the Hexen Death Wyvern in a map and I noticed that both UDB and DeePsea think that the arguments for the Wyvern have a purpose.
However, the wiki page for the wyvern makes no mention of these arguments. What's more, the one in map12 of Hexen has a special (Door_Open) and so its arguments have changed to ones appropriate to that special (it will open sectors tagged 40 at a speed of 16).
The above implies to me that the thing arguments are at best optional and perhaps entirely redundant.
Is anyone able to shed some light on this?
I have been trying to use the Hexen Death Wyvern in a map and I noticed that both UDB and DeePsea think that the arguments for the Wyvern have a purpose.
However, the wiki page for the wyvern makes no mention of these arguments. What's more, the one in map12 of Hexen has a special (Door_Open) and so its arguments have changed to ones appropriate to that special (it will open sectors tagged 40 at a speed of 16).
The above implies to me that the thing arguments are at best optional and perhaps entirely redundant.
Is anyone able to shed some light on this?
Re: Death Wyvern Arguments?
Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:45 pm
It does not use the args, what it needs to set up its path through the level is a map spot with a matching tid.
The only monster misappropriating the args is the Heresiarch.
The only monster misappropriating the args is the Heresiarch.
Re: Death Wyvern Arguments?
Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:50 pm
Thanks for the reply. That certainly reflects what I have seen in game when experimenting with it.
I wonder where both DeePsea and Doombuilder got the idea that the args refer to destination things?
I wonder where both DeePsea and Doombuilder got the idea that the args refer to destination things?
Re: Death Wyvern Arguments?
Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:20 pm
A confusion between the wyvern and its waypoints? Since the args of its waypoints will be used as TIDs of other waypoints.
Re: Death Wyvern Arguments?
Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:32 pm
I could see how that could have happened. Interesting that two different programs made the same mistake/assumption.
The UDB one seems to go right back to the original DoomBuilder:
It does make me wonder if perhaps DeePSea was used as a reference here, seeing as how DeePsea pre-dates DB and would have already had this mistake in it by the time DB was being made.
[edit] Opened an issue on the UDB GitHub for this: https://github.com/jewalky/UltimateDoom ... issues/660 [/edit]
The UDB one seems to go right back to the original DoomBuilder:
Spoiler:
It does make me wonder if perhaps DeePSea was used as a reference here, seeing as how DeePsea pre-dates DB and would have already had this mistake in it by the time DB was being made.
[edit] Opened an issue on the UDB GitHub for this: https://github.com/jewalky/UltimateDoom ... issues/660 [/edit]
Re: Death Wyvern Arguments?
Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:27 pm
And just for completeness, where the information came from has now been cleared up. From the GitHub issue:
And, specifically the specs say:
Type: 254 Dragon Lich
arg0: TID of possible destination (required)
arg1: TID of possible destination (optional)
arg2: TID of possible destination (optional)
arg3: TID of possible destination (optional)
arg4: TID of possible destination (optional)
biwa wrote:The arguments are described like that in the Hexen specs: http://doomlegacy.sourceforge.net/hoste ... spec09.txt
That's also where the name "Dragon Lich" comes from.
And, specifically the specs say:
Type: 254 Dragon Lich
arg0: TID of possible destination (required)
arg1: TID of possible destination (optional)
arg2: TID of possible destination (optional)
arg3: TID of possible destination (optional)
arg4: TID of possible destination (optional)