Wed May 13, 2020 6:01 am
jdredalert wrote:The soundtrack, ripped straight from 80's metal bands
Wed May 13, 2020 7:51 am
Enjay wrote:jdredalert wrote:The soundtrack, ripped straight from 80's metal bands
A lot of the music is far more mellow, far more atmospheric than the sweeping statement that "Doom music is metal" implies. Indeed, all of my favourite pieces of music from Doom are the ones that don't really have a "metal" vibe at all.
Wed May 13, 2020 7:57 am
jdredalert wrote:Well, I would start with the graphics. Top-notch for the time, filled with all that violence and satanic imagery. Let's put emphasis on violence here, because while it looks silly and cartoony by today's standards, Doom's art is excessively gory, especially how the humanoid enemies get gibed and you can see the ribcage bones exposed, or Baron of Hell's torso ripping apart while it's intestines fell. That was a whole other level and even Mortal Kombat, which was infamous for its violence, paled in comparison.
The soundtrack, ripped straight from 80's metal bands, that although as you said were kinda popular a decade prior the game release, both metal bands and fans were always labeled as misfits, edgy and inappropriate. Unless you had some real open-minded folks, playing "Angel of Death" during a family reunion wouldn't end well.
Or the intermission texts: "Once you beat the big badasses and clean out the moon base, you were supposed to win aren't you? Aren't you?". That really sounds like trying to be cool for me.
My theory is that people tend to forget the impact of some of those aspects of oldschool Doom, especially when newer games, more realistic, violent and shocking (sometimes for no reason) games appeared. Doom rapidly became tame, silly and the graphic violence was banalized (even more after the whole Brutal mods craze).
Wed May 13, 2020 10:15 am
"Remember that id didn't put all that much stock in the game's story. It was barebones and not at all serious. Other action and sci-fi media had a similar tone as the original Doom, and as we see with the Ep 4 expansion (Ep 3's end with a rabbit head on a pike being turned into a joke, retroactively becoming Doomguy's pet rabbit Daisy and all your fighting was because she was killed), they weren't afraid of having fun with it."
Wed May 13, 2020 11:36 am
Neither did I, I simply said that they were at the edge for the time. If the series had tried to back away from that, it would've been considerably worse.Enjay wrote:Yeah, I never saw the original Doom gore and imagery as too edgy or trying too hard.
This shows a level of self-awareness - as in not taking the whole thing too seriously - that keeps it out of tryhard grimdark edgelord mysoulisablackpitofhatred territory.Chris wrote:Funny enough, the whole "Rip and Tear" slogan adopted by new-Doom originally came from that comic. I remember people deriding the comic for devolving Doom to such simplistic carnage, and "Rip and Tear" was mainly used as a joke against those who see the games as mindless slaughter-fests. Interesting how things are now.
Wed May 13, 2020 11:35 pm
jdredalert wrote:What I mean is that in the context of Doom creation (the personal tastes of the creators in entertainment media in general, the overall age of the team, the target demographic of product, etc), I really think they were trying to appeal to a specific public: mostly teenagers and young adults.
jdredalert wrote:I don't know if you like or dislike the new Doom games, but in my opinion, both statements apply to them, and I love those games.
jdredalert wrote:isn't that trying to be cool? The text could have been written in a more serious tone, and the cute rabbit beheaded and impaled adds nothing to the already shallow plot, but was appealing to the above-mentioned target audience.
jdredalert wrote:PS: i don't want to digress even more from the Doomguy name topic, but about the metalheads being edgy-lords: we can't say all of them are. I know i am not one of them. But let's be honest here, they were no saints, especially during the 80's and 90's.
Wed May 13, 2020 11:39 pm
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Ravick wrote:Hi there.
A question that came up during a conversation with a group of modders: if a mod is set at the time of Final Doom, and the 'screenwriter' decides to use a name for the protagonist, which of these options would be better?
* William Blazkowicz III
* Stan Blazkowicz
* Flynn Taggart
* Doom Slayer
Thanks in advanced.
Off: I was taking a look at this to create a poll. I guess i don't have permission to create it. How can I ask it?
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