The mystery of unavailable graphics cards

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Apeirogon wrote:
Gez wrote: It is 100% useless, it has no outside purpose
Just as something from cotton paper with picture of some ruler from past, which we name "money".
And this something have at least some value, much higher than value of cotton paper and some paints to picture from which it done, just because all agreed to consider that piece of papper with face of Washington eaqul to, example, ten loaves of bread and piece of papper with picture of Franclin eaqul to >9000 loaves of bread.
Tha-a-a-ats modern monetary system.
See, the big difference here between paper money and bitcoin -- and by big, I mean at least the size of Laniakea -- is that paper money was more practical and cheaper to produce than coins. Bitcoin is less practical and more expensive to produce than preexisting systems. Which pretty much means that it fails at being an alternative.

Also, the words are "paper", "equal", and "Franklin".
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Well, since you do use electricity to mine bitcoin, you basically come out to null-saldo (you regain some of the money you lose by using electricity). Unless you somehow get electricity free, the entire concept is pointless. If only bitcoin would worth more than the money you spend on running your machine...
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GPU mining is very labor intensive on cards, and it takes a while to have a considerable profit from them if you leave them on constantly. With cyptocurrency such as Ethereum, the average user with a GTX 1080 is going to get a hashrate of around 25 MH/s, without making any changes to the card. The profit in turn largely depends on how such energy your computer uses, how efficient your graphics card is, the cost per kilowatt-hour at your region and some other variables, but realistically, the profit is a couple cents per day. Mining can and has bricked cards for poor temperature control, as well as for simply leaving them on for long periods of time without any sort of maintenance. Nvidia understandably does not want an average person with no knowledge about computers whatsoever to mine on a horrendously expensive card, only for them to brick it, and then sell it on eBay to unsuspecting customers who have no intention to mine on it and run into an essentially destroyed card with voided warranty on it. Its basically hemorrhaging money for no real benefit.

I tried to mine Verge on my GTX 960m but it was a complete waste of time. The profit that I ended up making in about ~4 days was basically $3 USD, but I can't use it on anything, trading it for another worthless currency isn't going to happen, and moreover, the market for cyptocurrency is full of shady, unbusiness-like behavior so I honestly didn't bother. So I pretty much side with the companies on this issue, but the solutions that they are attempting to use aren't really helping anybody.
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Gez wrote: paper money was more practical and cheaper to produce
I led my thought to the fact that every existing monetary system based not on practicality/cost/transportation difficulties/etc. Core of monetary system is to create universal goods, which can be exchanged to other goods with minimal time.
To choose such goods, material incarnation of this though must be
hard to produce;
easy to check for originality;

First time, in world history, such universal goods was gold. Because its hard to produce (find gold field, extract ore from earth, melt ore with mercury, distillate mercury from gold, try not die in process) and easy to check(gold density ~= 20g/cm^3, higher only osmium and iridium)
But if look at gold, at that time, it be useless metal, because gold physical characteristics very poor. It cant be used to make sword, armor, war machines, nails, etc. Of course, no one prevent make gold sword, but in battle it be worse than old as mamoths rude club from nearest tree. So main purpose of gold at that time only be shiny and rare.
Only now we know that this transition metal finds great, or even GREAT, use in computers and scientific research.
And here example of money, which you even cant put to pocket. But it used more than 500 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones

With bitcoins and paper money same thing. It hard to produce(watermarks, microprinting, security thread, UV paints, special paper for banknote and transfusion from empty to vacant, while you bounded with other transfusor from empty to vacant through internet for bitcoin) and easy to check for originality.
And I can send to you bitcoin without banks 3 day waiting while money, on their tiny legs, walk from me to you.This is much more convenient, if I live in Moskov and you in Washington. Especialy if I live on Venus and you on Mars. But thats in theory, now 1 MB limitation for one block start, with pain, crawls sideways.


Plus, from capitalistically point of view, if for sequence of zero and one, rise and fall of current on CPU, many who agreed to exchange, how much now there are exchange rates, 8000 dollars?, why dont use it? Marx get out from portal and, furiously rolling his eyes, will begin to tell "communism was stand not for this"?
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Apeirogon wrote: And I can send to you bitcoin without banks 3 day waiting while money, on their tiny legs, walk from me to you.This is much more convenient, if I live in Moskov and you in Washington.

Are you sure? How would you send *ME* a bitcoin, for example? Describe the process, please!
If you want to send me some real currency there's a few options, some cost less, some more. Paypal sounds like the best option at the moment. But in any case I'd get the money and can use it.
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Rachael wrote:Bitcoin is really not likely to be the currency of the future, unless banks are abolished.

It's hard to say what the future will hold for money, since everything is done with plastic nowadays anyway, but I think it's more likely that we'll transition from paper money to some form of centralized public credit/debit system worldwide, which may be managed by some international governmental authority formed by a treaty of sorts - where, unlike now, it would not be managed by private banks.
At this rate my money's on the banks basically becoming the government...
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Matt wrote:At this rate my money's on the banks basically becoming the government...
There are a lot of governments in the world that are strong enough and will not allow that to happen under any circumstances. Of course, if you're referring to the United States, that country's government definitely isn't one of them.
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Kotti wrote:
Apeirogon wrote: And I can send to you bitcoin without banks 3 day waiting while money, on their tiny legs, walk from me to you.This is much more convenient, if I live in Moskov and you in Washington.

Are you sure? How would you send *ME* a bitcoin, for example? Describe the process, please!
If you want to send me some real currency there's a few options, some cost less, some more. Paypal sounds like the best option at the moment. But in any case I'd get the money and can use it.
You get your bitcoin wallet (I am not being sarcastic, it's a long string of jumbled letters and numbers) and send it to the person you want to recieve bitcoin to. they transfer it from their wallet to yours.

Look for a digital currency exchange (DCE) like coinbase or Gemini to do it.

or if you're really good at it or just want to give all your bitcoins, just give then your Mnemonic phrase


Honestly, Bitcoin seems to be more of a trial run more than anything, when the peak hits, what gonna happen then? Not "100%" useless or totally dumb, just a very unstable venture.
At the very least, there are ways to ensure that you can't lose it. So it's not like an EMP or a failed hardrive is going to be the most worrying thing (unless you never make backups, then that's on you)

Though I hear that blockchain technology can be used to allow smaller companies to go with server intensive startups like social media or video sites (hell, if they can profit from video sharing sites by reducing server cost, then more power to them)
So if anything, it's kinda like the robot ASIMO or other more eccentric inventions, I'm more hopeful for the tech from the product rather than the product.
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insightguy wrote: Look for a digital currency exchange (DCE) like coinbase or Gemini to do it.
This somehow sounds like 'bank' to me, just without all the legal safeguards that make the banking system relatively trustworthy.

or if you're really good at it or just want to give all your bitcoins, just give then your Mnemonic phrase
From the linked site:
Anybody else who discovers the phrase can steal the bitcoins, so it must be kept safe like jewels or cash. For example, it must not be typed into any website.
Ok, this has convinced me that cryptocurrency is a secure way to do financial transactions... :?

Honestly, Bitcoin seems to be more of a trial run more than anything, ... So if anything, it's kinda like the robot ASIMO or other more eccentric inventions, I'm more hopeful for the tech from the product rather than the product.
Sounds about right to me. Why are people even THINKING that this is better than banks? Let's not forget one important thing: The bank not just manages your money, it also acts as a kind of insurance. It's a lot harder to lose money that's inside the banking system than cash or anything else you have to keep with yourself.
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You may recall recently that Kodak, of all things, announced some sort of cryptocurrency related product. Earlier today Kerrisdale Capital, a research-oriented hedge fund, published a pretty brutal PDF document detailing the reasons behind their decision to short Kodak stock. It's well worth a read.

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Kotti wrote:How would you send *ME* a bitcoin, for example? Describe the process, please!
An example of bitcoin. All other use same way.


First of all, you must have you own bitcoin adress. This adress is something like number from credit card, but together with number it contain BIG and small letters, and it much longer than 16 number from plastic card.

Next, you provide me this bitcoin adress. If you wish, I can provide you my bitcoin adress, so you can check am I really have enough bitcoin to send you.
I check history of transactions for this adress, how bitcoin much you send/recieved and when. Just to make sure you send me right adress, because some viruses can change adress, if you copied him with Ctrl+C, and I can send bitcoins not to you adress, but to adress of creator of this virus.

After all check successfully done, I send you agreed amount of bitcoin and in 10 minutes they in you adress.

This is simple part.


Now how it works, "explaining using fingers"

Bitcoins network, as mentioned above, works like torrents. But instead of sharing "Prey_(2017)_v1.02_Cracked-BALDMAN" it share, for simplicity, two files.

First is history of ALL bitcoin transactions in the WHOLE history of bitcon network. Since everyone have copy of this history and can check state af any adress, you cant cheat anyone with "I have ten thousand hundred millions billions quadroplex bitcoin". So transactions, in fact, firstly recorded in you copy of "bitcoin ledger" and then await confirmations, that you really have sufficient bitcoin in defined adress, from other owner of the "bitcoin ledger" to approve fact of transaction.

But if you think a little, you can ask "and how anyone achive bitcoins for first time?"
So, second file is special programm that compute some functions. Only goal of this programm, assure same other programm on other computer that you dont use notepad.exe to change you copy of "ledger", and add to yourself "thousand hundred millions billions quadroplex bitcoin", but really increase entropy computing same functions as other same programms. This only need to assure other network members accept you changing in you "ledger".
For computing this functions, one time in 10 minutes, one RANDOM member from all bitcoin network, as encouragement, achive some ammount of bitcoins. This how bitcoins, or any other %nane%coins, appear in the system.
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Kinsie: That's so brutal I'm half expecting each upcoming page to big a big bloody red FUCK YOURSELF. :shock:

Rachael wrote:There are a lot of governments in the world that are strong enough and will not allow that to happen under any circumstances. Of course, if you're referring to the United States, that country's government definitely isn't one of them.
Thinking about the big countries that are... basically China... I'm gonna revise this to say I hope the banks basically become the government. :|

EDIT: Funny enough, it just happens according to FB that this day I had vaguebooked the following grumble:
Anyone who thinks private enterprise is less bureaucratic than government has never worked a job regularly involving banks.
Anybody else who discovers the phrase can steal the bitcoins, so it must be kept safe like jewels or cash. For example, it must not be typed into any website.
:laff: :laff: :laff:
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I kind of regret uttering the c-word in this thread. It's not a mystery anymore. Are we still talking about graphics cards?
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