[Project] "Knee-Deep in ZDoom"

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Yeha but I don't see why iD would become such pricks over such a small issue....
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The first Generations mod i think was one of the few casulties of id's copyright hold. However, i think that was more a result of extracting models directly out of quake rather than doom.
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The only mods ID have had problems with in the past are ones which take stuff from one ID game and place it in another. Generations is one example, another is Reborn (a Doom TC for Quake 3).
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Yeah, Generations isn't like KDiZD: Generations directly took stuff out of Doom (and Quake1), and put them in the Quake2 engine, while KDiZD is taking Doom1 stuff and using it in Doom2, thus staying in the same game (Doom1 and Doom2 really arnt that much different) Thus, I can see id foxing Generations, but not KDiZD.
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Why would it matter though? They're all iD games!
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Because you'd effectively be able to play a game, or at least something extremely similar to it, without actually owning it; copyrights are being mixed and blurred; etc.

And if they have issues with KDIZD being for Doom 2 rather than Doom 1, that's something which is very easily fixed..
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NiGHTMARE wrote:Because you'd effectively be able to play a game, or at least something extremely similar to it, without actually owning it; copyrights are being mixed and blurred; etc..
So then similarly they could have problems with Doom 1 being mixed with Doom 2. As far as I remember, the two were sold seperately in most cases.

But you're probably right; if they have problems with it being for Doom 2 instead of Doom 1 then that's probably easy to fix....

Now I'm wondering what's taking them so damn long to e-mail Risen back.... :|
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Well, this is a remake of episode one, right? Well then, id released episode one free.
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Good Point. This is basically a remake of the shareware version in a sense....

But we'll have to make sure permission is acquired before work is started on the next episodes....
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chronoteeth wrote:Well, this is a remake of episode one, right? Well then, id released episode one free.
As far as copyrights go, that hardly any difference at all.
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chronoteeth wrote:Well, this is a remake of episode one, right? Well then, id released episode one free.
Exactly, and it is the shareware version available for everyone ;)

Nevertheless, stop that discussion right now, it makes no sense as long as we don't receive any reply from any id-member at all. Let's cross fingers and wish for the best!
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Tormentor667 wrote:... it makes no sense as long as we don't receive any reply from any id-member at all...
I think you guys should just release it if there's no reply from iD for a long time.... Just a suggestion.

As for the actual topic of the thread: is anyone still working on any of the maps?
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NMN, where is M4? It should have been done today!
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Copyright doesn't matter at all in this case. Regardless of where the law stands, I can almost guarantee that id won't give a shit about this project. It's a remake of the shareware episode, it is only available to people who own full copies of the game, and it will only serve to make them look better. id Software aren't that strict when it comes to the use of their material. In this case, where no outside material is being duplicated and the only material used as a base is available for free anyway, I don't see them having any issues with it at all.
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HotWax wrote:Copyright doesn't matter at all in this case. Regardless of where the law stands, I can almost guarantee that id won't give a shit about this project. It's a remake of the shareware episode, it is only available to people who own full copies of the game, and it will only serve to make them look better. id Software aren't that strict when it comes to the use of their material. In this case, where no outside material is being duplicated and the only material used as a base is available for free anyway, I don't see them having any issues with it at all.

Those are very reassuring words indeed. :yup: I just hope it's true. :)
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