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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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<propro> username wrote:The aeod file and aeoddat 5.25
That's weird. Please paste here what you have in the command line /target line in the shortcut.
hypr wrote:Ahh I thought it had to do with the coding but I have both MOTS and JK, but there is a lot of enemies to fight anyways and a lot of enemies, the project is going great.
Well, we're always looking for new resources, and the code, since long ago, we usually come with aeod-original behavior.
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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BoldEnglishman wrote:BP: It's still an unnecessary comment, especially from someone that seems to hang around these forums regularly.
But the fact that the AEOD team just ignores every bad comment about the mod just proves how incompetent this team really is. I would also like to add that no matter how many times this team attempts to foil cheating, there will always be feature requests to get around it to which Graf Zahl would happily add. :P
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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BlazingPhoenix wrote:But the fact that the AEOD team just ignores every bad comment about the mod just proves how incompetent this team really is.
That's nonsense. So, according to your logic, not only people can come here to spill some hate (which is normal, since i've been seeing this ever since the mod started 4 years ago, thank you), but I have to reply to it? That's absolutely stupid. Completely different is about actual feedback.

Good to know, a competent team is one that goes replying to "every bad comment". Way to go.

Also:
BlazingPhoenix wrote:I would also like to add that no matter how many times this team attempts to foil cheating, there will always be feature requests to get around it to which Graf Zahl would happily add. :P
Go ahead and count how many times "this team attemped to foil cheating", since apparently you have a long list. Never thought I'd see a moderator here trolling.

So, all in all, me replying to a bad comment, does that make me competent now?
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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BlazingPhoenix wrote:
BoldEnglishman wrote:BP: It's still an unnecessary comment, especially from someone that seems to hang around these forums regularly.
But the fact that the AEOD team just ignores every bad comment about the mod just proves how incompetent this team really is. I would also like to add that no matter how many times this team attempts to foil cheating, there will always be feature requests to get around it to which Graf Zahl would happily add. :P
It does seem to me that you aren't exactly the mod's target audience and that you're probably wasting time trying to "talk sense" to the team about this particular issue. If they want to add stuff like this to the mod, let 'em - the only thing at stake is that certain people will stop playing with the mod, and that's fine because nobody's being forced to do anything, nobody's losing money on this, and nobody says that you cannot enjoy Doom without loading AEOD.
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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InsanityBringer's comment wasn't really hate, it was just criticism about the mod's file size which Major Cooke just had to be an ass about it and you just ignored it completely. You also didn't even bother trying to reply about compressing it even further and didn't even try to come up with a solution... perhaps try using other compressions methods? Such as... LZMA*? You don't necessarily have to respond to the negative comments that don't provide much feedback at all... But you can respond to the bad criticism**. Your first attempt to prevent cheating was +CHEATNOTWEAPON... Which can be foiled by using give everything. Now Major Cooke is being even more of a dick by saying something like "getting revenge on the developers" for putting in counter measures to anti cheating. What's he gonna do? Perhaps do something even lousier by using disablecheats in MAPINFO?

* See? even I can do that without being a dick about it!
** there's a difference between comments and criticism. If you can't figure it out, then read it over!
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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Having a bit of a problem,I go to download AEoD's main file,but I end up with a zip instead of a pk3,The zip has all the sounds,graphics,sprites in it along with two other pk3's called AEoD Old weapons and AEoD hud,Can anyone tell me whats going on?
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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BlazingPhoenix wrote:InsanityBringer's comment wasn't really hate, it was just criticism about the mod's file size which Major Cooke just had to be an ass about it and you just ignored it completely. You also didn't even bother trying to reply about compressing it even further and didn't even try to come up with a solution... perhaps try using other compressions methods? Such as... LZMA*?
Sure, but was InsanityBringer asking if we could do anything about it? Was he giving a suggestion? He was stating something that I think it's pretty obvious. This filesize topic has been touched countless times in now two topics (one being over 200 pages and this one). Sure, who would read through all that? I guess only the OP, but for those who arent aware, Gez already informed me (in this same thread some pages ago) about a way to reduce the size. Did I ignore it? no. Am I working on it? No. I want to, at some point, when the actual version is stable enough, but for sure, if that compression is ever done, I'll let players know. As WW already said, nobody is being forced to play, not even download aeod, so if filesize is a problem to anyone, well, is as easy as not downloading it.
BlazingPhoenix wrote:You don't necessarily have to respond to the negative comments that don't provide much feedback at all... But you can respond to the bad criticism**.
** there's a difference between comments and criticism. If you can't figure it out, then read it over!
"Then read over!" your own post, where you generalized that "the fact that the AEOD team just ignores every bad comment about the mod just proves how incompetent this team really is", and think about it. If you would've said "feedback", as I stated before, a completely different matter would've been. But the fact is that you generalized, and that's plain absurd when there's such big difference between the two terms now you're exposing. The issue here is that you called the team "incompetent" for something that makes absolutely no sense; i mean, who cares if the mod works as WE (the team) intended, right? if it's all based in the fact that the team doesnt go replying to each "bad comment". So, yeah, in that case, we are incompetent. Unless you've been following the mod for the last 4 years, or at least year and half that the team was officially formed, I fail to see how can you judge the team's competence based on that.

See why generalization in this case is absolutely stupid? If you would've posted something like this last post of yours Im quoting, I assure you we wouldnt be having this discussion at all. Want an example to see why this pisses me off? Is as if I went calling you from now on "stupid" because I think what you originally posted is.
BlazingPhoenix wrote:Your first attempt to prevent cheating was +CHEATNOTWEAPON... Which can be foiled by using give everything. Now Major Cooke is being even more of a dick by saying something like "getting revenge on the developers" for putting in counter measures to anti cheating. What's he gonna do? Perhaps do something even lousier by using disablecheats in MAPINFO?
So, after all it wasnt a list. Let me put it this way:
The reason to have CHEATNOTWEAPON was of course to avoid spoiling. Sure people wasnt OK with it, but I WW covered this quite clearly. Now, if you cared to ever notice, there was absolutely no other anticheat measure. Why? because that's the only cheat that concerned me. If my idea was to avoid all cheats, I would've applied what you just said ages ago. Did I? no.

Now that the new cheat was added, I decided to do something about it. Sure, the classical debate of "why modders shouldnt try to avoid players from cheating, because it's the player responsibility"'s* strong point is "it's for testing purposes". Ok, fair. Well, I decided to make a colorful and music filled world where you can test. I didnt kill player, I dint make him blind him, I didnt do anything else but change the mood of the levels, where players can still test. All weapons are there, and all weapons can be tested, since that's the idea of that cheat, according to the general opinnion. Furthermore, for whoever that actually wants to play with certain "hidden" weapons, they still can, since this measure, as I said before, is only for that specific cheat. There are still other ways that the weapons can be obtained, and while I could've done something about that too, I didnt. Im just against one cheat that spoils half of the mod by typing two words.

*I've been here for a while, and I've seen countless times those debates. That's plain bullshit to me (is that enough emphasis on the "personal opinnion" factor?). It is to me, for the sole reason that nobody forces players of a mod to play. Period. "If player wants to spoil everything in the game, is his choice", well, "if the modder wants to drive away all it's mod's players by adding anticheat measures that will piss everyone off, is his choice".

Trooper 077 wrote:Having a bit of a problem,I go to download AEoD's main file,but I end up with a zip instead of a pk3,The zip has all the sounds,graphics,sprites in it along with two other pk3's called AEoD Old weapons and AEoD hud,Can anyone tell me whats going on?
Are you positive of this? The main file link downloads a PK3, and the 3 links version of it is a RAR which contains the PK3 inside. Check the extension. Still, if for some odd reason is a zip, you can use it just like if it was a pk3, since they're the same.
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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Oh, by the way. I forgot to mention in my other post that I apologize for the incompetence comment. I was merely miffed at yours and Major Cooke's attitude towards InsanityBringer. :|
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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Apology accepted.
DBT on a different context wrote:If you would've posted something like this ... I assure you we wouldnt be having this discussion at all
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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BlazingPhoenix wrote:Here's a less troll-like post for ya...
Just for the record, that is very rarely a good way to begin a post.
InsanityBringer's comment wasn't really hate, it was just criticism about the mod's file size which Major Cooke just had to be an ass about it
I'm not sure if he was "being an ass about it", but there was definitely some passive-aggressiveness in there.
and you just ignored it completely.
Check the post right before the "how do you like your fun served" one. Basically said "Yeah, so what?"
You also didn't even bother trying to reply about compressing it even further and didn't even try to come up with a solution... perhaps try using other compressions methods? Such as... LZMA*?
The drama was already underway at that point, everyone was already preoccupied by it. :P
You don't necessarily have to respond to the negative comments that don't provide much feedback at all... But you can respond to the bad criticism**.
No comment; I agree.
Your first attempt to prevent cheating was +CHEATNOTWEAPON... Which can be foiled by using give everything. Now Major Cooke is being even more of a dick by saying something like "getting revenge on the developers" for putting in counter measures to anti cheating. What's he gonna do? Perhaps do something even lousier by using disablecheats in MAPINFO?
If the PINKNESS OF DEATH is supposed to be a form of "getting revenge on the developers", then indeed, that's very petty and a poor choice of action.
However, I think Cooke meant "revenge on cheaters for breaking stuff", not "revenge on developers for making countermeasures"; I was under the impression it was just to discourage people from breaking things with "give everything" due to the massive amounts of dummy inventory items used for checks and stuff. I'm pretty sure that "give all" and such don't set it off...
Er, wait, they still have +CHEATNOTWEAPON on things that wouldn't break the mod with "give all"? That's not cool.

(Also, if anyone was going to go to the extremes such as disablecheats in MAPINFO, it'd be Reilsss; He's the only one of them that is actually offended by cheaters in such a manner. Or was. Might be different now. Doesn't really matter to me, I only cheat when I'm stuck, or for testing purposes (aka goofing around :P), and there are workarounds.)
* See? even I can do that without being a dick about it!
** there's a difference between comments and criticism. If you can't figure it out, then read it over!
Regardless of your intent, this just makes you look like a condescending jerk. :?

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This chain of events should probably have ended with "medium rare, with a side of relish". Maybe a "heh" or two afterward.
Heh.

Edit: Dammit, you guys already made up while I was typing this. *facedesk*
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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Ethril wrote:
BlazingPhoenix wrote:Here's a less troll-like post for ya...
Just for the record, that is very rarely a good way to begin a post.
Okay, yeah. I realize that too. I think I was still pissed off when I put that down... I also wasn't trying to sound like a jerk when I put the stars down too, by the way. I just did that for silliness and wanted to do something creative with that post. :P
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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I'll admit I was kinda being a dick.

I will not however retract my statement
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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Major Cooke wrote:
DBThanatos wrote:Considering how predictable, pointless and absurdely huge aeod is, then I can say it isnt for you ;)
I'd normally stand up and yell "DAMN RIGHT!" at the top of my lungs whilst banging a cudgel, but to put it in a more professional way... QFT.

@ethril and SFJake: the point of it is to break cheating with weapons altogether. There's no way in hell you guys can remove it. It's there to annoy you and attempt provocation to start a new game because the give everything cheat is used as a bypass trigger, which is [censored word]. Consider this satiable revenge.
I'm not even using "give everything" :/ I just spawned weapons normally with summon and certain triggered the pink stuff.
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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haha wow, every time i check back to this topic theres a discussion about filesize or anti - "Give all"
its been like this for almost a year now :p
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Re: ÆoD (new patch v5.25; 09/06/2010)

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hypr wrote:Ahh I thought it had to do with the coding but I have both MOTS and JK, but there is a lot of enemies to fight anyways and a lot of enemies, the project is going great.
Well, we're always looking for new resources, and the code, since long ago, we usually come with aeod-original behavior.[/quote]

Oh yea, should I send you guys MOTS and JK? they are pretty much abandonware now and I actually have the discs for it, the game kinda reminds me of something between the Q1 and Q2 engine, Dark Forces was released about the same time as doom and have the CD of that one as well.,I remember playing the old doom discs with the Star Wars Doom mods where they pulled the sprites from Dark Forces.
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