Music Programs Question

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:35 am

uh yeah. mp3 works. where's the problem? i never see an .ogg on any site ever. i'm fine with mp3, other people are fine with mp3. people can hear my music with it, enjoy it, judge whether it's good or not. problem? no. it's plain sense. a thing does not automatically start sucking just like that. unless of course Doom automatically starts sucking because there's better engines.

edit: and what's wrong with IE? i hear a lot of talk about Firefox and all that and how IE sucks but nobody can give any really good reason at all. they say it "doesn't give anywhere near a satisfactory browsing experience" and stuff. really, how so? i don't find anything wrong with it whatsoever.

just because it's made my Microsoft and is mostly-embedded in Windows, you don't have to go hating it.

Post by **Chris** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:45 am

IE is full of security holes and does not follow well-established web-standards. Notice how there's sites that look fine in IE but not other browsers, or web sites that look fine in other browsers but not IE?

As for MP3.. did you know you can't use MPEG files (even those you make yourself) in a commercial app without paying $$$? This includes shareware. UT2k4 uses Vorbis.

a thing does not automatically start sucking just like that. unless of course Doom automatically starts sucking because there's better engines.

Define "better". No, MP3 didn't start "sucking" at any one point.. it's always had the patent issues but when it came out it was the best compression you could get. But now you have Vorbis, which has better compression and is not patented (so you can use them whereever, however, whenever you want). The problem is, MP3 is more recognized the Vorbis, and people just don't know or care.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:52 am

but i don't use mp3 in apps.

and hey, IE always worked for me, so if it ain't broke..

and when ogg vorbis becomes the de facto standard and everybody knows about it and has a player for it, then i'll save in that format. if you're thinking about quality, i'm aware of that, but i like to actually buy and listen to cds rather than an mp3 player, so downloading mp3s is really nothing more to me than a temporary thing until i buy the cd, or until i decide the mp3 sucks and don't buy it. i think i'm the last of a dead breed.

Mr. Tee · Post by **Mr. Tee** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:30 am

Chris wrote:I personally wouldn't use MODPlug. At least not for the final mixing. The problem is that MODPlug Tracker makes no serious attempt to copy the original trackers' sound. So for instance, if you create an .it file in MODPlug then play it back in Impulse Tracker, or something that properly plays an .it file, it'll sound wrong.

True... And damned annoying at that! MODPlug isn't bad for tracking, but for final mixing it doesn't indeed reproduce the sound faithfully.

The problem is... how do you get Impulse Tracker running in Win2000/NT/XP with Extended RAM so that all the samples load?

If this was possible, then you could track in MODPlug, and use IT to write the necessary WAV files... And since the WAV writer (I paid for it BTW) doesn't play back sound, you don't have to worry about sound drivers or using VDMS!

adx · Post by **adx** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:34 pm

Doom wrote:Something smells like splitted personality here...

No, Where different persons if you think that were the same.

Post by **Chris** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:37 pm

and hey, IE always worked for me, so if it ain't broke..

That's the thing though.. IE is broke. Websites keep trying to pander to its improper fnctionality and end up ruining the web-standards and ruining things for other, proper, browsers.

The problem is... how do you get Impulse Tracker running in Win2000/NT/XP with Extended RAM so that all the samples load?

Have you tried VDMSound? It doesn't just emulate Sound Blaster drivers through Windows, it also fixes some incompatibilities with DOS programs. And DOSBox is a complete DOS emulator that can also do sound and graphics output.

adx · Post by **adx** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:47 pm

My IE became broke when I installed Mozilla Firefox.
There seems to be some conflict between the two browsers.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:58 am

i was under the impression that ALL or MOST browsers irritatingly displayed content slightly differently. that's how it used to be at any rate. if the situation has changed, then good. but if, as you say, websites "pander to its improper functionality" then doesn't that mean that with other browsers, many sites will still look wrong, because they're made for IE?

Post by **Chris** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:02 am

then doesn't that mean that with other browsers, many sites will still look wrong, because they're made for IE?

Luckilly most websites know that IE is not the only browser in existance, so they do it (mostly) right for other browsers (a website can find out what browser you're using, as well as its version). The fewer people that use the problematic IE, the fewer websites that break standards for it.

On top of that, Firefox 1.0 was released today.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:13 am

alright, I'll look into this Firefox more closely. But I kinda still want to have IE working just in case..

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:34 am

questions.

Privacy and Security
Built with your security in mind, Firefox keeps your computer safe from malicious spyware by not loading harmful ActiveX controls. A comprehensive set of privacy tools keep your online activity your business.

what exactly is an ActiveX control anyway? and does not loading them break anything? and by "not loading harmful ActiveX controls" do they mean "they're harmful so we don't load them" or "we don't load the ones that could be harmful"?

Hassle-Free Downloading
Files you download are automatically saved to your Desktop so they're easy to find. Fewer prompts mean files download quicker.

erm, so this means it wants to download files without prompting me where to put them? I find it royally annoying when a program assumes what i want. i hope this can be "fixed"

Post by **Chris** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:39 am

ActiveX is a very.. previleged control set (eg. big security risk) web pages can use if the browser supports them. AFAIK, IE is the only one that does. ActiveX allows web pages to have more access to your computer.. such as reading and writing to disks.

erm, so this means it wants to download files without prompting me where to put them? I find it royally annoying when a program assumes what i want. i hope this can be "fixed"

Of course. There's an easilly accessible option to have it always ask you, or to set a directory to put downloaded files automatically (doesn't have to be the desktop).

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:45 am

thanks. i'll give it a try.

Lexus Alyus · Post by **Lexus Alyus** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:00 am

Heh, the clasic "It works for me, there is no problem." So funny... so ignorant. Do you know exactly how the program is working? Do you know every little thing that is going on inside that program? The answer is most definately no... nopt even the aplication knows what it's doing half the time. IE has lots of security holes and all that... it was even officially reported by the FBI (Man, that's gotta break a guy when the FBI officially say that your app is crap

). So there... I guess

. You don't know you have spyware on your computer... but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist... also the same as you wouldn't know you had a tumor... until it developed... I suppose that doesn't exist until then either... until it's too late that is... take heed young one...

Anyway, Ogg rocks! All games use them (even Doom3) and they compress far better than MP3's with much better sound quality and file size at even 56kbps! Also, winamp plays them, XMPlay plays them (a great player!

) and if you can be bothered to look then you'll find a plug in for Windows Media player that plays them too... seek and thee shall find. With MP3's you get this nasty top end artifact that sounds nasty at lower resolutions... the only artifact I can hear in Oggs is a tiny top hiss distortion... but that is VERY quiet and most of you won't recognise it anyway...

Plus, Ogg drop is so cool, with that cute ickle fish that spins around

. Dead easy too, no windows or owt, just a little... urm, fish tank, that you right click to cjhange the quality on... just grab yer wav filke and drop it in and it gets to work instantly... dead good man

.

I see your point about no classing Oggs as a final file type... I don't even class MP3's as that... Ikeep all the original audio and file as is and that is the main product! That means I can use bits of audio to remix the song or play around with in a later date... it also means that I have everything so I can shove it on a CD and mail it to myself by recorded post to have a master copy at hand in case some little bitch decides to rip off my music

.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:19 am

i do know when spyware is on my computer. i have an external program. you think i've been running IE by itself? heh.

but my original point was, if i'm happy, then i'm happy. ignorant? well maybe, but that's not even part of the equation. like i said, mp3 works on my system and it works on my friends' systems. so there's no problem there.

errorcount=0;

mp3encode {

if doencode() then errorcount++;

}

mp3play {

if doplay() then errorcount++;

}

if errorcount == 0 {

print ("no problems");

}

you're all going on about theoretics, and yeah-but-that-means-this, but you're not looking at the real life fact. fuck theory here. i know i enjoy hearing mp3 music and i know it's easy to encode it and i know it doesn't put a virus on my computer. i'm happy. what's to do beyond being happy? look at it literally. it makes logical sense and that's all there is to it. everything else is a thought and a saying and not a reality. that's the only thing that's useful and that says anything: the reality of it.