What Do You Think About Ellen Ripley In Alien Franchise?

[NantoCodd]

Next time, learn how to capitalize words correctly
Use capital (huruf besar) in :

- name of a person, place, and country (nama orang, tempat, negara) : Bapak Susanto lives in Surabaya, Indonesia
- word after a dot (kata setelah titik) : ...Doom has ported to various device. For example...

Kenapa harus belajar gan? Karena pengalaman disini akun yang sering berulah itu suka ngetik kapital setiap kata. Bukannya berarti w pikir u bakal berulah, tapi jangan sampe dong kita orang Indo dipandang rendah, ya gak? Lagian, capek dong ngehold shift mulu, masih mending gak ada huruf besar sama sekali.

[777Doomer777]

Next time, learn how to capitalize words correctly
Use capital (huruf besar) in :

- name of a person, place, and country (nama orang, tempat, negara) : Bapak Susanto lives in Surabaya, Indonesia
- word after a dot (kata setelah titik) : ...Doom has ported to various device. For example...

Kenapa harus belajar gan? Karena pengalaman disini akun yang sering berulah itu suka ngetik kapital setiap kata. Bukannya berarti w pikir u bakal berulah, tapi jangan sampe dong kita orang Indo dipandang rendah, ya gak? Lagian, capek dong ngehold shift mulu, masih mending gak ada huruf besar sama sekali.

OK, Gan.

PS: Gue Pakai Opera Mini Di Tablet.

[DBThanatos]

Back to the topic. Huge alien fan here.

I like Ripley. That for sure. But watching the same character through the 4 alien movies was a drag.

Also, all in all, i consider alien 3 (a great movie despite tons of people hating it for "bad cg") the last true alien movie; it even ended in a "this is the end of Ripley, bye". Alien resurrection is a joke. The whole - we cloned rippley- and the alien plot is really bizarre, and while i can forgive the story, the tone of the movie just was off. Idiotic jokes, cheap sexual innuendos, dude grabbing his own brains and admiring them... It's just bad. It looks like a bad comic book that failed to encapsulate the horror of the alien franchise; i suppose the same could be said of Aliens, but even that one i respect more.

Like enjay said, it felt like the Alien franchise went around Ripley too much, and that's where i always disagreed. The comic books go around telling you tons of different stories revolving the aliens, rather than just Ripley. I'm seriously excited to watch the upcoming alien covenant and see a new alien movie with different main character (although it sure looks like it's gonna be the new Ripley)

All in all, i still watch all the movies, including the silly avp ones, just because i like the xenomorph that much. What would Freud say about that?

[Enjay]

My biggest beef with Alien 3 wasn't the CG or the story or the setting or any of that. In fact, I think it's an OK movie; probably weaker than the first two but not bad. However, the start steals the victory of Aliens away from you by killing Hicks and Newt - not killing them in any interesting way either; just an "and then Ripley woke up and everyone was dead" kind of way.

I mean, OK, it makes sense to have Ripley isolated, it sets the downbeat tone of the start of the movie and the death of Hicks and Newt is the kind of thing that could happen in the real world of things not working out like they do in the movies but I thought it was a shitty thing to do. Of course, if they hadn't decided to base the whole franchise around Ripley, then she wouldn't have needed to be in Alien 3 (or Aliens) and so the ending of Aliens could have been left as it was with the audience getting to keep its victory (and let's face it, most of the squad were wiped out so it was still a harsh victory). It feels especially harsh if you watch one after the other.

Also, as a biologist, the misrepresentation of XYY syndrome irks me a bit too. But hey, I enjoy movies and can accept Hollywood misrepresenting science/reality to get a good plot. They didn't really need to use a real genetic condition though. I mean, we're talking about a pretty impractical looking prison colony on a far-flung planet being terrorised by an acid-blooded alien with a giant glossy penis for a head. They could have just made something up - and even made it more interesting/relevant to the plot. (I dunno, Weyland Yutani genetic manipulation gone wrong, mutations from working in Deep space, whatever.)


I've mentioned it before but the original Alien movie had quite a few changes as it went along, some of which I feel would have made it better. For example, originally there were three artists/designers allocated to the space ship (etc) design: one for the human tech, one for the Xenomorph aliens (Giger) and one for the infected ship and its inhabitants (the host ship and aliens). The idea was that the three designers would naturally create three very different looking technologies/biologies and so it would be clear that these were very different technologies/societies/backgrounds. However, the designer for the host ship+inhabitants was dropped (I can't remember if he/she was fired or pulled out or what) and Giger ended up doing the xenomorph and the host ship + pilot. Now, while his design was very cool, it originally confused the hell out of me because the alien and the space jockey (plus his ship) always looked so similar biologically that, to me, they had to be related somehow. But no, the original idea was that the host ship was just another unfortunate victim of the alien parasite that, just like the humans (as far as the crew were aware anyway), had just stumbled across the xenomorphs and gotten infected.

However, I know that one of the designs for the host was a giant lobster-like ship with little dwarf-like creatures as its crew. So maybe that wouldn't have been so good.

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[777Doomer777]

Back to the topic. Huge alien fan here.

I like Ripley. That for sure. But watching the same character through the 4 alien movies was a drag.

Also, all in all, i consider alien 3 (a great movie despite tons of people hating it for "bad cg") the last true alien movie; it even ended in a "this is the end of Ripley, bye". Alien resurrection is a joke. The whole - we cloned rippley- and the alien plot is really bizarre, and while i can forgive the story, the tone of the movie just was off. Idiotic jokes, cheap sexual innuendos, dude grabbing his own brains and admiring them... It's just bad. It looks like a bad comic book that failed to encapsulate the horror of the alien franchise; i suppose the same could be said of Aliens, but even that one i respect more.

Like enjay said, it felt like the Alien franchise went around Ripley too much, and that's where i always disagreed. The comic books go around telling you tons of different stories revolving the aliens, rather than just Ripley. I'm seriously excited to watch the upcoming alien covenant and see a new alien movie with different main character (although it sure looks like it's gonna be the new Ripley)

All in all, i still watch all the movies, including the silly avp ones, just because i like the xenomorph that much. What would Freud say about that?

Yeah, but Neil Blomkamp will have do Alien 5 and probably give Sigourney Weaver (Ellen Ripley), Michael Biehn (Dwayne Hicks), And Newt give a good ending than just sad ending and everyone is dead.
but it's slim chances to see Alien 5.

Resurrection more to be like in comedy and humour and sounds look very bad in this movie.

Well, take a look at Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(franchise)
The main point of Alien franchise is focusing more about Ellen Ripley fighting against his ultimate enemy, Xenomorph.
but it's not being used this because some Alien franchise fan are more focusing the battle between human mankind and the Xenomorph, rather than focusing more about Ripley just what you said.

BTW, I'm so sick for more Alien prequel like newest one Alien: Awakening that set in prequel of Alien: Covenant.

I'm also watching all that 4 movie, including AVP one.
but I'm still favourite first and second movie Alien.

[777Doomer777]

My biggest beef with Alien 3 wasn't the CG or the story or the setting or any of that. In fact, I think it's an OK movie; probably weaker than the first two but not bad. However, the start steals the victory of Aliens away from you by killing Hicks and Newt - not killing them in any interesting way either; just an "and then Ripley woke up and everyone was dead" kind of way.

I mean, OK, it makes sense to have Ripley isolated, it sets the downbeat tone of the start of the movie and the death of Hicks and Newt is the kind of thing that could happen in the real world of things not working out like they do in the movies but I thought it was a shitty thing to do. Of course, if they hadn't decided to base the whole franchise around Ripley, then she wouldn't have needed to be in Alien 3 (or Aliens) and so the ending of Aliens could have been left as it was with the audience getting to keep its victory (and let's face it, most of the squad were wiped out so it was still a harsh victory). It feels especially harsh if you watch one after the other.

Also, as a biologist, the misrepresentation of XYY syndrome irks me a bit too. But hey, I enjoy movies and can accept Hollywood misrepresenting science/reality to get a good plot. They didn't really need to use a real genetic condition though. I mean, we're talking about a pretty impractical looking prison colony on a far-flung planet being terrorised by an acid-blooded alien with a giant glossy penis for a head. They could have just made something up - and even made it more interesting/relevant to the plot. (I dunno, Weyland Yutani genetic manipulation gone wrong, mutations from working in Deep space, whatever.)


I've mentioned it before but the original Alien movie had quite a few changes as it went along, some of which I feel would have made it better. For example, originally there were three artists/designers allocated to the space ship (etc) design: one for the human tech, one for the Xenomorph aliens (Giger) and one for the infected ship and its inhabitants (the host ship and aliens). The idea was that the three designers would naturally create three very different looking technologies/biologies and so it would be clear that these were very different technologies/societies/backgrounds. However, the designer for the host ship+inhabitants was dropped (I can't remember if he/she was fired or pulled out or what) and Giger ended up doing the xenomorph and the host ship + pilot. Now, while his design was very cool, it originally confused the hell out of me because the alien and the space jockey (plus his ship) always looked so similar biologically that, to me, they had to be related somehow. But no, the original idea was that the host ship was just another unfortunate victim of the alien parasite that, just like the humans (as far as the crew were aware anyway), had just stumbled across the xenomorphs and gotten infected.

However, I know that one of the designs for the host was a giant lobster-like ship with little dwarf-like creatures as its crew. So maybe that wouldn't have been so good.

[edit] I knew I'd mentioned it before:
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=29122&p=559752#p559752
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=29122&p=559814r#p559814
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Yeah, Alien 3 stealing every victory of survivor from Hadley Hope (Ellen Ripley, Dwayne Hicks, and Newt).

I'll keep it Aliens is best ending of this movie, but there is Alien 5 by Neil Blomkamp that never being heard of newest news for that movie. and i'm so sick for more Alien prequel thing, but okay.

Alien franchise is so complicated to describe about lifeform Xenomorph, Space Jockey, Engineer, Weyland-Yutani stuff.

[Matt]

My own headcanon is that we've got the movie series from Alien through A:R that sets the scene around a single main character, and a lot of comics and novels exploring the ~expanded universe~, more or less like Star Wars.

Wouldn't change a thing.

[777Doomer777]

My own headcanon is that we've got the movie series from Alien through A:R that sets the scene around a single main character, and a lot of comics and novels exploring the ~expanded universe~, more or less like Star Wars.

Wouldn't change a thing.

You're right, comics and novels in just case found more about deep secret about Xenomorph and Weyland-Yutani things.

[scalliano]

There were no more movies after Aliens. I refuse to entertain such an absurd notion.

[Enjay]

I thought that AvP in particular reduced the Xenomorphs to little more than dangerous dumb cattle kept by the predators for sport/rights of passage; a far cry from their original concept.

[Nash]

I would really, really, REALLY wish the movies expanded on the Engineers. I'm disappointed the upcoming Prometheus sequel isn't going to reveal much about the Engineers.