LethalDoom MK1.9 [updated 5/17/17]

[Crudux Cruo]

By the way in case everybody was not aware the pistols the M4 the M60 all have zoom functions. This makes it easier to aim at a distance and provides an accuracy boost. I'm going to release a full-fledged manual on the next release so that everybody knows what everything does.

So did downloading the new gzdoom Deb build solve the M4 issue? If this is still floating around I want to get this fixed ASAP so you guys can play test it more, so I can polish up the stuff and add more cool features quicker

[Yholl]

2.) i don't want to make a seperate actor at this time; its too much hassle for too little benefit. as to the silencer animation, i may tweak it and make it slightly faster if more people feel that way, but it is MEANT to be inconvenient, and just a little slow, to show off the animations and to be cool. also, CS:GO takes about the same amount of time, sorta where i got the idea from. oh and ICD-SE, which also has the silenced pistol and a screw/unscrew phase (and its on keypad 0 )

It already is a seperate actor right now. I'm saying it should be part of the pistol, rather than something completely seperate. Right now, if I wanted to stealth around, every single time I'd switch weapons, and then need to switch back, I'd have to go through the lengthy screwing/unscrewing animations each time.

The animation is fine and cool, that's not the problem. The problem is that the silenced pistol makes you do it every single time, even if you didn't want it off when you finished using it. A toggle mode for the pistol is sorely needed, it's one of the two things I'm absolutely adamant about.

6.) the sniper rifle (see previous response) is not going to change for the time being. it does take practice to use, but thats part of the point: its a specialist weapon you use from afar to snipe off enemies.

The problem is that it has both Fire and Altfire doing the exact same thing uselessly, and then for some bizarre reason, Reload is used to get out of the scope. That's so much bad design. Having the rifle be cumbersome and difficult to use is totally a good idea, but having both those buttons do the same things is just wrong.


Mmm, looking at the M4 code(aaaaaa it burns why) I can't really see what'd cause the rifle to do what it does. It's really weird, it's all logically sound. It's like the M4MAG doesn't exist, but it's just below the gun code.
I'm pretty stumped looking at that, sorry.

[wildweasel]

I gave this a quick spin and there are some pretty glaring issues with it. I imagine most of these aren't likely to be easy fixes (without a lot of patience, anyway) but you could bear them in mind on your next mod.

-- Weapon recoil is very jerky. Moving the screen a little bit with A_SetPitch/A_SetAngle is fine, but the amount of recoil you've added to the shotgun and assault rifle seems really excessive to do in a single tic. Do your recoil in several small one-tic steps, and have at least a few tics where the pitch is going back down afterwards, so the player's aim isn't massively thrown off. (Some players argue that the recoil effect should return back to the original pitch, which involves careful counting of exactly how many degrees you've kicked it, and how many should be taken back. Personally, I don't feel this is as necessary, but there are players that - for some reason - don't play with mouse look enabled, and they're likely to complain if you don't.)

-- Yeah, honestly, the shell casings' gravity is a little too low. You could turn it up some, then increase the velocity at which the shells are being ejected, to maintain the same arc.

-- I'm with Yholl, please make the silencer as a toggled mode on the pistol. You can easily use one of the Weapon Action keys (the WRF_ALLOWUSER# flags in A_WeaponReady) as a "change weapon mode" key, or in my opinion, ditch the aim-down-sight function, because it doesn't really affect the pistol very much, and repurpose the Zoom key for the silencer.

-- On the note of aim-down-sight: with the fullscreen HUD, the pistol aim sprites are detached from the bottom of the screen.

-- There's a pretty serious scale discrepancy with the M60; it feels much smaller when aiming than it does in normal view.

-- I feel like most of the animations are really jerky, especially the knife swing. Don't be shy with Offsets. With practice and careful pixel-counting (or use of Danimator), you can make some exceptionally smooth animations without needing to make new graphics and waste file size.

the sniper and the shotgun spit out a shell when chambering for the first time... i know its unrealistic, but there's no way in decorate to do a first time check when chambering. oh well.

Add a dummy inventory item called [gun]Fired (replace [gun] with the gun's name in this case), that is given when the shot is fired, checked when the pump animation happens, then taken away after it's done. That way, empty guns don't magically have extra casings in them, and you can reload a few times in succession without it spewing duplicates.

Mmm, looking at the M4 code(aaaaaa it burns why) I can't really see what'd cause the rifle to do what it does. It's really weird, it's all logically sound. It's like the M4MAG doesn't exist, but it's just below the gun code.
I'm pretty stumped looking at that, sorry.

For what it's worth, the GZDoom dev build from November 9th does not exhibit that problem.

[Captain J]

In GZDOOM g2.3pre-306-gd36993a, i can shoot M4 just fine. So updating gzdoom is a must to solve this problem, i guess.

Anyway, it's really interesting, amazing and yet, lethal doom mod i ever played. Nice work on this mod! But, like others, i've got some gripes to talk about;

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- Combat Knife has no drawing or putting animation at all. And while slashing sound effects are highly pinched just right, wall slashing sound goes hard and dull.

- Every casings are bouncing like shadow warrior's, i mean in the zero gravity. Also it plays no sound effect, hope that's intentional.

- Why every weapons i get for the first time always has no ammo in the magazine? Would be a bummer if you have to through the reloading while fighting the horde.

- Beretta Pistol with Silencer has cut off arm. Check out the bottom for instance. Also i really think inserting and pulling off is kinda slow. Oh man, it's like taking me back to 007 Goldeneye EDGE mod, it had slow silencer animation also.

- Fun fact: If Tactical Shotgun runs out of ammo, it becomes america's-most-wanted-fully-automatic shotgun. Otherwise, i can shoot endlessly without pumping.

- Sawn-off Hunting Shotgun's hand sprite is kinda awkward. I have no words for it being this big, but arm is angled to right too much. And would be nice if it has own firing sound effects. Especially for altfire one, to make sure you know you're firing both barrels.

- It is weird that Soldier Rifle(Or Soldier's Rifle, correctly) Uses same round as beretta, while it ejects rifle casing just like Vietnam MG. Is it because Pile of Bullet ammo gathered with Pistol and Rifle ammo? Still it's weird that it spends rifle ammo along with pistol one.

- Assassin Rifle(OR,Assassin'S Rifle)'s firing is hard to get use to; When i want to fire without zooming, it have to zoom anyway. Also it still zooms automatically when already fired. And most of all, i have to load the chamber MANUALLY. So it makes more confusing.

- I think Couple of Assassin's Rifle round are not enough unlike the stripper one.

- Vietnam MG almost covers the whole screen like M4, but it's much bigger.

- Multi-Shot Grenade Launcher's Projectile has no decal, including others coming from it. And yet i still can reload the gun even it has no ammo left.

- Sometimes Cell and Cellpack replacement ammo doesn't spawn at all.

- I'm seeing some spelling errors. Including Couple of Sniper Rounds saying 'You picked up a a Couple of Sniper Rounds'.

So that's about it, it's really good mod to play with. Oh, also i voted a little. Because some of the weapons are bit overpowered. Like double barrel shotgun, M60 and Grenade launcher.

[Crudux Cruo]

Well guys, shoot... looks like i have some work to do

BTW, the update list shows currently planned updates and progress, so if i don't mention it here, its probably there. i did some new grenade flames and stuff, and squashed some minor dummy code mistakes. oh and i tweaked casing gravity to a much more believable level, although they still are a little floaty.
general stuff:

grenade launcher bug is squashed - didnt have an ammo check on reload mode/
Shotgun bug is squashed - it didn't have a ammo check on the fire mode.
shell gravity has been made a lot less moon like.
i will have to make a new aim sprite for the m60, i've never been happy with it, but its gonna have to change. its a little less important on my to do list.
the pistol sprites are a little too short for my taste, and lowering them looked odd to me. something i'll fix, but later, because it will involve sprite reworking.
danimator didn't work out very well for me because the offsets were off, last time i tried. i might try that, because my efforts at manually entering each offset has been labourious. this too is on my to do later list.
shotgun sounds for the single and double fire shotgun is a good suggestion. might as well give it some more beefsauce.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hcHO_-bBHQ4/U ... songun.gif this image sorta shows you that the hands are sorta big for the gun. Sawn offs arent as big as you might think... so i had to make the gun proportionally bigger as well to make it feel and look more powerful. I don't believe i'll be doing any modifications to the sprites, at least not soon.
grenade launcher does indeed need decals, thats a mistake.
brass i intentionally left out the drop sounds, simply from laziness. i'll get around to it when i can.
i left alot of dumb typos in, will fix, and i will be fixing some of the ammo levels. seems like there are too many grenades and lmg bullets.
recoil smoothness is something i was thinking about, but was unsure how exactly to fit it in there. one thing is for sure... i will be using the day of defeat, recoil to the ceiling system. if people are trying to play this
without mouselook, they're totally not who im appealing to. I'll be sure to toy around with this.

important stuff:
Pistol problem, quick kick help, and a link to a terrible mod i did

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Alright so this pistol thing is a problem, because i did try making it switch with altfire and it was a complete disaster. Zoom sprites are NOT going, they're too important to the gameplay i feel, but the kicks i think i want to bind to a seperate key ala brutal doom. it could free up the altfire for some more interesting things, but in this particular case, a silencer mode. If i can do the quick kick thing, i'm willing to consider altfire as a silencer remove/add thing.

KEYCONF
addmenukey "Quick attack" quick
alias quick "puke 355"
defaultbind Q quick

#library "Dstrike"
#include "zcommon.acs"

Script 356 (VOID) NET
{
GiveInventory("pressdrop", 1),
TakeInventory("pressdrop", 1);
}

Script 355 (VOID) NET
{
GiveInventory("quickattack", 1);
}

so heres what i need to figure out. I need this to give the player a kick inventory item when pressed, which checks in zoom and ready modes, and takes when depressed. I have no clue, because when i tried this in another project, it didn't work out at all. if i can figure this out, it'll make this project 100% more awesome, so any help would be appreciated.

https://www.mediafire.com/?60ldt81l2q8bcgk - link to totally incomplete doodlestrike mod i did. yes, doodlestrike, counterstrike in doodles, dont judge me

Sniper rifle feedback thoughts and ideas

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So i did a playthrough today on Alien vendetta, and i was thinking myself... alot of the time i quickfire, and holding down the mouse button automatically cycles, so why not have the kick for the altfire? this sorta got to me, since before the playtest i was so adamant that this wepaon was perfect... but its clear i need to have some sort of inaccurate hip fire, with a much quicker zoom function. so that being said, it seems i'll have to do a complete overhaul to this. crap.

This is going to take awhile, because it almost definitely will involve spritework.

Does anyone think that this needs grenades? i really feel like a grenade would really help before you get the grenade launcher. Then again i'm playing heavily with brutal monsters and they're alot tougher than most other monster mods, except for perhaps colorful hell.

Also, i intend to halve grenade capacity, and spawns. it seems like there are too many grenades.

WHEW, thanks for the feedback people, i think that's enough work for the rest of the week! do feel free to make more suggestions and give more feedback, but for now im gonna eat whats on my plate. if you want to help, help me figure out this quick kick/ pistol switch thing, that will give this a huge quality of life improvement.

[StatisticalHourglass]

Gave it a go, it's not bad, but it could use some improvements to improve gameplay and feel, like the animations could be better for example.
the knife has too few frames, you can't just use offsets for everything, you're gonna have to frankensprite a lot, and a pistol's slide cycles way faster than that, by the way.
there's a bug on the m4, it doesn't fire even when I use idfa.
the shotguns feel responsive and powerful, but the graphics a bit disproportioned for the ssg.
the sniper is pretty satisfying too. I vote keep the zoom altfire, you shouldn't be close to enemies with a bolt action scoped rifle. adds diversity.
the m60 needs some form of animation with the chain of bullets.
and the grenade launcher is useful but the explosion could feel more realistic and random.

maybe instead of grenades you could have a complete inventory system, with medical items and other useful gadgets.
overall nice work! and the sounds are fitting, you could add some alternate behaviors to some of the enemies as well.

for the quick kick you can use one of the new keybinds (those weapon action 1 trough 4) and add those states to every weapon.

[Crudux Cruo]

Gave it a go, it's not bad, but it could use some improvements to improve gameplay and feel, like the animations could be better for example.
the knife has too few frames, you can't just use offsets for everything, you're gonna have to frankensprite a lot, and a pistol's slide cycles way faster than that, by the way.
there's a bug on the m4, it doesn't fire even when I use idfa.
the shotguns feel responsive and powerful, but the graphics a bit disproportioned for the ssg.
the sniper is pretty satisfying too. I vote keep the zoom altfire, you shouldn't be close to enemies with a bolt action scoped rifle. adds diversity.
the m60 needs some form of animation with the chain of bullets.
and the grenade launcher is useful but the explosion could feel more realistic and random.

maybe instead of grenades you could have a complete inventory system, with medical items and other useful gadgets.
overall nice work! and the sounds are fitting, you could add some alternate behaviors to some of the enemies as well.

for the quick kick you can use one of the new keybinds (those weapon action 1 trough 4) and add those states to every weapon.

hi statisticalhourglass!

1.) animations are on my to do list, for later.
2.)later
3.)update your gzdoom/zdoom to the latest devbuild. this problem is due to old versions.
4.)please elaborate more
5.)there will be a zoom, but it will be the zoom key. there will be an off the hip firing as well.
6.)maybe later
7.)not sure what you mean/have in mind.

8.) actually, i wanted to add smoking and drinking in the game as usable inventory items.
9.) this is a weapon only mod, but i encourage you to try colorful hell, or brutal monsters (links in titlepage). i made this specifically to run with brutal monsters seemlessly.

10.) i have no clue how to call those states into the game though, but that might be helpful.

[wildweasel]

10.) i have no clue how to call those states into the game though, but that might be helpful.

[wiki]A_WeaponReady[/wiki](WRF_ALLOWUSER#)

[Crudux Cruo]

OH HO! the game is afoot! Also i added casing sounds guys. i cut them from real sound clips and they sound legit.

[Crudux Cruo]

Oh and one other thing, I'm sure I'm going to add hand grenades to a weapon function key. They'll take one grenade, and it will not do nearly as much damage. The only thing I'm undecided about is whether to do just a toned down grenade launcher explosion, or a fragmentation grenade that shoots out fragments, and has a smaller explosion.

The reason I'm conflicted is that a high explosive incendiary grenade would shoot out flames, which one of the major points of the grenade launcher is crowd control. The explosion and grenade impact do a fair amount of damage, but most of the damage is by the flameballs that shoot out and spit out flames.

A frag grenade would be easier, and probably have a better balance, but it will never be as cool as that, and almost be a waste of a grenade.

Most likely I'm going to go the former route, but what do you guys think about it?

On another note, I will be releasing my little bugfixes sometime tonight when I get home from work or tomorrow morning, I don't want to delay patches for features.

Finally, on the knife having no draw animation, it's on purpose. I'm going to see about making custom draw and holster animations for all weapons eventually, but for now I'm just trying to get a solid, bug free, content complete release.

I'm so happy for everyone's enthusiasm, please bear with me as I address the issues, it will take time, but the wait will be worth it. If I missed you comments it's not on purpose, I just have to respond to alot

[StatisticalHourglass]

I meant that the double barrel shotgun looks too big or too close to the screen.
and for the explosion the dispersion of the fireballs follow a symmetrical pattern, wich doesn't look realistic, maybe if the flames spewed randomly it would look better.

[Crudux Cruo]

MK1.1 released! - see the changelog on the front page.

Thanks for clarifying. you're the second to say something, so maybe theres something to this.
The fireballs and flames are actually not 100% symmetrical, but their angle is. unfortunately, i wanted to ensure an even and somewhat predictable pattern, so i most likely will not change this, unless something changes.

Now to the pistol...

How can i make altfire change a weapon into another weapon? any pointers guys?

[wildweasel]

How can i make altfire change a weapon into another weapon? any pointers guys?

A variant of this tutorial sniper rifle should do the trick. The principle is the same, you just won't need to mess with A_ZoomFactor.

[mutator]

I want to report bug sniper rifle zoom you cant turn off once zoomed in

[Captain J]

You can't switch weapons or fire again until you press the weapon zoom key. This is kinda uncomfortable, i think.